[Noisebridge-discuss] Reorganization at noisebridge

Sat Jan 14 01:48:54 UTC 2012

liz, i am glad you mentioned it and i applaud your willingness to keep
bringing it up!  zach also needs his shelf to be accessible.  When i was
there for part of the reorg, i heard specifically that the access for
him had been preserved/enhanced, so it was taken into account at least a
little.  It is always good to check, though, because our stuff has a way
of expanding into access aisles periodically.

<3
R.

On 1/13/2012 4:43 PM, Liz Henry wrote:
> Hi Elijah, I don't mind the reorg, I haven't been there anyway to see it 
> or help or give any feedback. I'm sorry if it sounded like I was blaming 
> you for anything.  I only mentioned accessibility on the list for 
> everyone in general to keep it in mind as they move things around -- it 
> wasn't meant to be directed at you!   But I wanted to mention it quick 
> and in public, in case things are still in flux.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Liz
> 
> 
> On 1/13/12 11:35 AM, Elijah Post wrote:
>> Woah!
>>
>> Just because I'm for it doesn't mean I'm responsible for other people who
>> are actually DOING it. If you insist that we point fingers and blame
>> someone, why don't you blame whoever is mixing the things up. Also,
>> consider the fact that there are lots of people helping with the moving.
>> And lots more I talked to who are for it so long as it's done in an OK way
>> (which obviously it hasn't). Does that mean that I should take
>> full responsibility for everything everyone else involved does? Pardon me,
>> but with all due respect that's the worst logic I've ever heard at
>> Noisebridge.
>>
>> Just because I'm the only person participating in this thread doesn't mean
>> I'm the face of this project. Don't you dare just arbitrarily lay the blame
>> on someone because s/he's the only one you can find to blame. You got a
>> problem? Talk to the people who are making your problem.
>>
>> Yeah, I'm pissed.
>>
>> P.S. When I talked to Rayc, he did spend a lot of time considering
>> wheelchair accessibility.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Liz Henry<liz at bookmaniac.org>  wrote:
>>
>>> Please think about wheelchair accessibility while reorganizing.... I
>>> can't be at NB for a while yet but when I am will be back in my manual
>>> chair.  cheers.
>>>
>>>
>>> - liz
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/13/12 10:57 AM, Elijah Post wrote:
>>>> The plan will be to fix that with a barrier- probably an addition of
>>>> whiteboards.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM, lilia<liliakai at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I stopped by the space on my way to work today. I found the stuff from
>>>>> my shelf spread across three shelves and some stuff that I didn't
>>>>> recognize on my shelf. Let me know if you or anyone you know is
>>>>> missing big black windows media center laptop or a case of green-pak
>>>>> pipette tips.
>>>>>
>>>>> The member shelves are in two columns, forming a long member hallway
>>>>> between them. This makes one column protected and the other totally
>>>>> exposed to attack (casual observation/thievery) from the workspace
>>>>> side. I'm glad mine ended up on the protected side.
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed that an ad-hoc wall was formed between the hack shelves and
>>>>> member shelves, so that the member hallway is only accessible from one
>>>>> end. The floor on closed-off side is full of random stuff, further
>>>>> reducing accessibility for members. Who does any of it belong to? Not
>>>>> much way to tell now.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you had stuff on your shelf that you cared about, I highly
>>>>> recommend checking on it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Elijah Post<elijahpost at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Well hopefully everything will end positively. It's unfortunate that
>>>>>> communication wasn't more clear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Gian Pablo Villamil<
>>>>> gian.pablo at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, Miloh didn't hear about it, I didn't hear about it, and we're
>>>>>>> pretty well plugged in. I don't recall seeing it in any of the meeting
>>>>>>> notes, and I do read all of them. Seriously, if you're going to be
>>>>>>> moving people's stuff, you need at least a couple of rounds of "is it
>>>>>>> OK if we do this" type messages to the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Elijah Post<elijahpost at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> The idea of the the move is as follows:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Create space for a fab lab for the Sewing machines and the
>>>>>>>> Replicators to
>>>>>>>> have a good space. (Right now the replicators are in as bad a place
>>> as
>>>>>>>> they've ever been.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. Make it so the member shelves are still protected and difficult
>>> for
>>>>>>>> non-members to get to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many people were talked to about this before the move started. In
>>>>>>>> addition I
>>>>>>>> do believe it was brought up at a meeting (although I was not there).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:43 AM, jim<jim at well.com>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      I'm really glad to see this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      The downside of blind do-ocracy is lack of coordination.
>>>>>>>>> "Just do it" translates as "do as you please".
>>>>>>>>>      For NB the notion of do-ocracy grew out of disgust with
>>>>>>>>> people talking about stuff and not doing anything.
>>>>>>>>>      If what you're doing doesn't affect anyone else, please
>>>>>>>>> shut up and do it.
>>>>>>>>>      If what you're doing might affect anyone else, please
>>>>>>>>> let them know what you plan to do before you do it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      What's the basic point? Unfettered do-ocracy is
>>>>>>>>> indistinguishable from indulgence and inconsiderateness.
>>>>>>>>> To be considerate requires restraint, i.e. discipline,
>>>>>>>>> which is tough for children and childish personages.
>>>>>>>>>      For the NB community's long term success, it's
>>>>>>>>> important that each of us think about possible
>>>>>>>>> consequences of our actions and actually talk to others.
>>>>>>>>>      For that to happen, the community had better include
>>>>>>>>> consideration and talking to each other as one of our
>>>>>>>>> mantras.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2012-01-13 at 08:46 -0800, Liz Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Did the people who use the craft/sewing area want this move to
>>>>>>>>>> happen?
>>>>>>>>>> What was the point here?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Liz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/12 7:18 AM, gian.pablo at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> This sounds like such a bad idea. Who instigated this? If any of
>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff goes missing I am done with Noisebridge.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2012, at 8:58 PM, gnnrok<gnnrok at gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Visited noisebridge tonight, noticed people were moving the
>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>>> shelves over to the sewing area and the sewing area to the
>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>>> shelves area.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The space is pretty chaotic at the moment, stuff spread around
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> chairs/tables clustered together near the electronics/wood
>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems there might be some use for help with the project, and
>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas about whether or not it's the right fit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Elijah Louis Spenser Post
>>>>>>>> Mechanic (San Francisco Bike Kitchen)
>>>>>>>> Participant (NoiseRep at Noisebridge)
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>>>>>> Participant (NoiseRep at Noisebridge)
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