[Noisebridge-discuss] Congratulations

[Eric W. Rasmussen]

Francisco is back and I'm going to clean the garbage cans after the 
trash is picked up and we are going to be more diligent in cleaning the 
kitchen. I would hope that everyone that uses the kitchen can lend a 
helping hand.

On 07/04/2012 11:09 PM, Danny O'Brien wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 01:21:06PM -0700, Tony Longshanks LeTigre wrote:
>> To those who have succeeded in driving Francisco out of the space because
>> of.....some fucking fruit flies?
>>
> Okay, I sent a slightly snappy private mail to this earlier, so I'm
> going to pay reparation for that by writing a long dull one.
>
> TL;DR: probably you or Francisco should mail a mediator, it will be more
> lovely that way.
>
> If Francisco is not around, and you don't like it that Francisco is not
> around (and presumably Francisco isn't too happy), one or both of you
> want that fixed. Almost certainly the people that you think actually
> made him leave (and are messaging) aren't the people best placed to
> start the process of getting him back.
>
> Mailing the list isn't going to fix that, but it does the job of
> highlighting the problem. But right now it leaves so much stuff unsaid
> and unclear that anyone reading this is:
>
> 1) Sad that what you said is true, and co-bummed (bad phrase, yeah, cheers thx) ) along with you.
> 2) Unsure, because no background data is given, how to determine whether
> it is true (is it REALLY Lord Claypool, faking mail from Tony etc etc)
> 3) Angry, because something sad has happened that they have no control
> over.
> 4) Sad or dismissive because they feel that their part of the story
> hasn't been revealed ("I threw Francisco out because it turned out his
> vinegar was *turning people into fruit flies*!")
>
> So we have a bunch of emotions that we cannot handle, and no actual way
> to fix things.
>
> We have ways to fix things. We like to fix things. But being dorks you
> have to treat this not as a fait accompli to mourn, but a bug to be
> fixed.
>
> Here is what I, or anyone else in the Noisebridge community, needs to
> know in the bug report in  order to fix this. You don't need to mail the
> bug report to this to the rest of the list, but you (or Francisco) do
> hand it to someone who can and wants to help fix the problem. This may
> just involve you mailing yourself, because you can fix it as well as
> anyone else. It's okay if you don't have the time, or care enough to do
> this. But if you don't have the time or care, here is what that someone
> needs to know:
>
> * Is Francisco really gone? Is he unhappy? Talk to him, find out the
>    story.
> * Who is he so pissed with that he's left, or who do-acratically decided
>    to escort him out or moan at him?
> * What led up to this situation? What triggered the conflict? Is there
>    something deeper than this that is actually the core of the
>    problem. Don't guess, eke this out of the people involved in there own
>    words.
>
> Right now, that information is Highly Distributed. The first step is
> collect it all in one place. That place does not have to be public.
>
> Now that person sits and think and talk with these people until either
> there's a solution, or the person can't come up with one and need more
> help, in which case we can take it to meeting or throw more resources at
> it.
>
> This is hacking too. Go for it. It may sound terrifying or
> time-consuming, or stressful, but speaking as someone who is a stress
> bunny, it is amazingly less stressful than a world where nothing can be
> fixed and that the people you deal with are being targetted by
> incomprehensible or fundamentally evil people in positions of
> unassailable power. Much of the world feels that way, but everyone wants
> Noisebridge to not be part of that world.
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Mediation has more and better on this.
>
> d.
>
>
>> YGTBKM
>> HHOS?
>> NFW
>>
>> He's as much of a hacker as anyone in this space. I gotta wonder.....is NB
>> trying to commit suicide (i.e. wind down in prep to downsize or close the
>> space) by driving everyone away? It's working.
>>
>> Seriously, I am really bummed about this.
>>
>> x
>>
>> TLLT
>>
>> Did NOT send to NB-Disgust. Barely.
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