[Noisebridge-discuss] 86/85

[Tony Longshanks LeTigre]

Re-post in solid agreement w/ Alan's comments below. As I've stated a
number of times, I avoided the 85 page from the moment I heard about it &
realized what it was. Last night for the first time I (sort of
accidentally, not thinking very clearly) clicked on the link from the
original post in this thread & went to the page for the first time ever. I
only started reading the first entry. Calling people out for their
Unexcellent behavior is one thing, creating online profiles complete w/
photos & other personal info for the purpose of dissing or humiliating them
is another. As someone who is often highly critical of myself as well as
others, this issue is a sort of tightrope act & the criteria for dividing
nonproductive negativity from humorous but not-entirely-mean-spirited
teasing/satire/sendups is difficult to pin down; it's pretty intuitive for
me; but from what I've seen & heard of the 85 page, it falls off the
tightrope & into the abyss. I've been to the abyss, & escaped alive, & I
don't recommend it.

HACKERS NOT HATERS

-TLLT

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Alan Rockefeller <alanrockefeller at gmail.com
> wrote:

> > I think these pages were a great addition
> > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/85
> > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/86
>
>
> The 86 page is useful, but I disagree that the 85 page is a good thing.
>
> The conditions to which people are added to the 85 are undefined, and
> most of the recent troublemakers are not listed there.  The only
> person on the 85 page who comes to the space is Cynthia, and she is
> allowed since she completed mediation.
>
> All of the entries are out of date and have not been updated in
> months, and most of the entries contain inaccurate negative
> information about people.   More importantly, the 85 page fosters an
> antagonistic atmosphere of  being suspicious of others and narking out
> people you don't like on the wiki, instead of dealing with social
> problems the way they should be - in person, via email or on the
> mailing list.
>
> Some of the people on the 85 page are cool and don't belong there -
> Yogurt Container Man or Rubin for example.
>
> The 85 page makes Noisebridge look bad - that is not the image we
> should be projecting on to the internet.
>
> I have added a few people to the 85, and I usually feel awful about it
> later and regret making the edits.
>
> When I tell people that they are on the 85, they feel terrible, I feel
> awful, and it isn't a good social situation at all.  They feel like
> people at Noisebridge are plotting against them, and indeed, they are.
>  It is highly awkward, and it's a poor alternative to discussing
> issues in person or over email.
>
> The 86 page is a bit more useful than 85, those people do belong there.
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