[Noisebridge-discuss] Closing the space/Being excellent

Sun Oct 21 05:56:24 UTC 2012

Relax. Do good things. Try to do your best. If you have issues take them 
to the weekly meeting.

No one is required to help you because of "membership". NB has no 
leadership or order. <--- get used to it.

Ask a fellow Power User if you need help.  Ask a Noob because they 
always want to cut their teeth. I generally don't have any problems 
getting assistance when I need it.

On 10/20/2012 10:32 PM, Mitchel McAllister wrote:
> The line "Credit is not due to those who do good deeds" is troubling. 
> Perhaps this should more properly be addressed on the SocEng list. But 
> if credit is not due them, then to whom is it due? Those that do evil, 
> or those who do nothing? That's seems counter-intuitive.
>
> One of the power users turned to me a few minutes ago, and said "You 
> know it would be nice to be thanked, just once." When I am in the 
> space, and I see others doing things like this, I make sure to stop 
> and thank them.
>
> As we were trying to put Noisebridge into some semblance of order just 
> now, not one member got off their butts to help. As a matter of fact, 
> one member refused to move so that we could move things.
>
> If either of the proposed policies (although I see none of the members 
> proposing them have added them to the agenda) comes to pass, when do 
> you suppose the space will get cleaned or straightened up?
>
> What I am seeing, frankly, are policies proposed as if they will never 
> affect a human being, never have negative consequences, as if the 
> policies are so perfect that all outcomes lead to Nirvana. Seriously, 
> none of us are that smart.
>
> - Reverend Mik
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> [censored, spindled and mutilated]
>
> --- On *Sat, 10/20/12, Eric W. Rasmussen /<ewr at majortek.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Eric W. Rasmussen <ewr at majortek.com>
>     Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Closing the space/Being excellent
>     To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>     Date: Saturday, October 20, 2012, 9:44 PM
>
>     You've made some excellent points but your last comment was
>     passive aggressive.
>
>     I am not a member because I can not afford to be one. If I had $80
>     a month, I would gladly give it. However, being a Power User does
>     not exclude me from taking on the role of Member.
>
>     Noisebridge does not have leadership. This is a Do-ocracy.
>
>     If you see a problem, fix it. Use the materials available.
>     Improvise. This is the "Maker" mantra. Credit is not due to those
>     that perform good deeds. No one is looked upon with a higher
>     gratitude because they help others.
>
>     Noisebridge is altruism.
>
>     If someone wants to paint and there are haters, fuck them. If
>     someone wants to use the kitchen and there are haters, fuck them.
>     If someone is giving false information, intervene. Give tours when
>     needed.
>
>     You love Noisebridge, right? Take ownership.
>
>
>     On 10/20/2012 09:03 PM, Mitchel McAllister wrote:
>>     I've been sharing what's being discussed by a few regulars in the
>>     space, or as Danny called us once, "power users".
>>
>>     Understand that these are people who regularly chip in to clean
>>     up or get things put into a semblence of order (especially after
>>     events). We wash dishes, we take the trash out, we bring the bins
>>     back in, we sweep the floors... We try to not make waves, we try
>>     to help out when we can. And right now, a couple of us have been
>>     assisting Cliff in painting the space.
>>
>>     Yet, a few minutes or an hour after we do things like this,
>>     someone will stomp through the space, talking loudly about how
>>     "those people" need to be kicked out because "those people" never
>>     do a damned thing around the space.
>>
>>     Most of the people jumping in to fix computers or other gadgets
>>     brought in by visitors in the past two months have been "power
>>     users". Throughout the day, evening, and night, there are often
>>     times where there are no members present - no members to welcome
>>     newcomers, no members to give visitors tours.
>>
>>     Some of the other "power users" feel that they can't come to the
>>     meetings to discuss things that are going on. They feel that they
>>     aren't allowed to speak up, because they're not members. They
>>     feel they shouldn't "bother" members by joining conversations.
>>
>>     And I have heard several people giving out incorrect or
>>     misleading information on how to become a member. "You have to
>>     collaborate on a couple projects with real members before you're
>>     allowed to put in an application," has been one I've heard
>>     several times.
>>
>>     The amount of pure shit that happens when there are no members
>>     present, or when members are sequestered off by themselves, is
>>     alarming. But if members don't approach visitors or "power users"
>>     and actively solicit feedback, get involved in discussions, or at
>>     least try to get to know them, it will continue, and probably get
>>     worse.
>>
>>     Yes, I know, I am considered a troll on the discussion list. And
>>     because I am a troll, nothing I have said has any relevance or
>>     value. After all, it's easier to dismiss me as a troll than
>>     actually consider any points I may have made.
>>
>>     - Reverend Mik
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     It is impossible to wage war or commit violence, unless you first
>>     prove the other party is less human than you are. - Shane Vassad
>>
>>
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