[Noisebridge-discuss] I got groped at noisebridge at hackmeet

[Ever Falling]

... spoons?


On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Susan Werner <heinousbutch at gmail.com>wrote:

> You see that email quoted below? Read it. It says what I want to say.
>
> Fuck y'all motherfuckers who defend misogyny. Trying to write anything
> beyond insults consumes too much time and spoons and most of y'alls are
> a waste of my spoons to engage with.
>
> --
> Sus``and take your whiter-than-a-sparkly-white-vampire-taint sexist
> hacker community and shove it where the sun don't shine''an
>
> On Oct 22 15:02, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've ignored noisebridge and the mailing list for months, because the
> > bar got so low that i couldn't afford the drilling equipment needed to
> > locate it. I don't give two shits about your oogle problem or your
> > sleeping drama or whatever other whiny bullshit is the wankfest du
> > jour, but this is really, really fucking important.
> >
> > I've been on panels at two internationally recognized hackercons about
> > depression in the geek community, and in the longer panel at HOPE I
> > brought up the pervasive habit of the "radically inclusive" hacker
> > community to protect abusive people and behavior in the name of not
> > ostracizing people or being "too PC" or otherwise fucking up the
> > us-against-them status quo.  This is a stellar example of that
> > behavior.  Seriously, I don't know how one gets such a mirror shine
> > onto a turd. Satellites can see that shit from space.
> >
> > Jesus H. Christ in a flying rat vagina, what the actual fuck is wrong
> > with you people?  I honestly don't even have words for how completely
> > fucked this is.  It makes me want to get a pliers from the dirty shop
> > and start breaking fingers until everyone's learned their lesson.
> >
> > There is a culture specific to noisebridge of nonaccountability.
> > There is no real penalty for unacceptable behavior.  There is no
> > repercussion to an individual or individuals who cross a line or harm
> > another person.  The process of consensus must be applied to
> > EVERYTHING, such that no cohesive group action can be performed
> > efficiently or quickly, if at all.  "Do-ocracy" subs for group action
> > but has no lasting effect on the psychology of the group or how it
> > functions.  I have often described it as a black hole into which one
> > can throw unlimited amounts of resources with no return.
> >
> > There is also a culture specific to the hacker community of pervasive
> > emotional abuse, executed in such a way that promotes mistrust,
> > paranoia, fear and aggression among peers and friends.  Nonvigilance
> > guarantees victimhood, and victims are reminded that it's their fault
> > for not being vigilant enough or not striking first.  Infosec is the
> > biggest offender by far, but this mindset has spilled over into
> > anything connected to the hacker scene and culture.  Bonus prizes
> > include sexist behavior and ideology among both genders, a generous
> > sprinkling of rape culture, and all the slut-shaming your heart could
> > desire.
> >
> > Mash these two things together, and you get "a woman goes to a hacker
> > party and is alienated by the local hacker community to the point
> > where she is publicly crying, and is then sexually assaulted while
> > crying, in front of community members who do nothing. This same
> > community proceeds to then lash out at her ON THE INTERNET for
> > complaining about being sexually assaulted."
> >
> > Holy everloving shit, I'm in r/creepshots.
> >
> > Oh, and don't try and hand me that "noisebridge-discuss isn't the same
> > as the people in the actual space, isn't the same at the irc channel".
> >  You people pass the buck so fast I'm surprised DARPA hasn't claimed
> > it for renewable energy.   Everyone who does something in conjunction
> > with the noisebridge name publicly represents the space and
> > philosophy, whether you like it or not.  I have been uncomfortable for
> > a long time with declaring any association with noisebridge, because
> > of shit like this.  The noisebridge community is an embarrassment, and
> > has been for a while.  Fuck your bedbugs, fuck your robot, fuck your
> > kitchen, fuck yo couch.
> >
> > I appreciate those who have taken this seriously, vonguard and danny
> > and ron and liz and whoever else i'm forgetting.   I have been through
> > many incidences of emotional and physical abuse from hackers, and
> > those incidences have been witnessed by hackers, who have sat by and
> > done nothing, or blamed me if I tried to stand up for myself.  As
> > someone who has experienced abusive behavior in the hacker community
> > for years, the statement "we should probably be more proactive about
> > this" feels inadequate.
> >
> >
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