[Noisebridge-discuss] Two working surveillance cameras, but no functional doorbell?

[Jeffrey Carl Faden]

I'm not taking advantage of your computerized access system because it's currently in flux, and because no students have complained to me that they can't get in, yet.

Not sure what you mean by a "class-shared code." I'd like to keep my class open to everyone, meaning newcomers can join in at any time - if I shared a code with existing students, it would be excluding a significant fraction of my class every time.

I could share this code over email, the wiki, and Google+, but that might be too open for anyone's liking, since anyone can use the code. But maybe it's still "obscure" enough?

Even then, I'd prefer that people could just come in without much resistance at a specific time. People hearing about this class through friends or other less direct means won't have the means to get into the space, and an open period would solve that problem. Certainly, the critical mass around Monday evening would warrant that sort of temporary openness.

For the record, even I don't have a code, despite my being at the space, without fail, every Monday and Thursday. I've always been able to either ring in, follow someone in, or use the now-passcode-protected Noisegate web app.

Jeffrey

On Oct 25, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012, Rubin Abdi wrote:
>> I found out about the broken doorbell through someone coming from a
>> class in one of the classrooms stating none of the students are able to
>> get in because no one was buzzing them in.
> 
> The teacher of that class should create an access code for those students and tell all of them the code so that they can get in.  One of the things Danny is working on is a code adder/deleter that will allow for creation of expiring codes, although I would say that anyone attending a class is relatively trustworthy enough to have a class-shared code until they get their own.
> 
> I'm guessing that the "students" are studying something that has to do with Computers, which makes the fact that their teacher is not taking advantage of our -Computerized- access control system kind of silly.
> 
>> All this while a couple kids seated next to me were discussing their plans to spend another night in the space, of whom left the space and were able to re-enter about 30 minutes later.
> 
> please see my new thread about how They have learned to pick our lock with a bart card.  We need to fix that.  This is also something that the camera will help with, and the broken buzzer won't hurt.
> 
>> Jake, unless we're standing guard at the gate 24/7, neither of us knows exactly who's being let in and kept out, why and how.
> 
> well, while i was out there installing the new camera (you're welcome) is how i learned about the lockpicking that was happening using the bart cards (see my other post about that)
> 
>> Again I can't stress this more, technical solution don't work for
>> fundamentally social problems.
> 
> technical solutions solve problems brought on by the failure of Security By Obscurity which is what we have been using up until now.
> 
> If you actually want to fix the social problems that noisebridge is suffering from, you will have to solve poverty and homelessness, as well as alcoholism, drug abuse, and the high price of drugs.  Also, solve the problem that most people don't belong in a hackerspace because they don't know how to use the equipment, or have any goals relating to hacking, and thus end up contributing a lot more entropy to the space than anything else.
> 
> Then you can just leave the door open to the street.
> 
>> Jake, you're welcome to throw mud at me
> 
> it was poop
> 
>> and call me a hypocrite, I'm simply here to point out how much down the
>> hole we've sunk and am pointing my finger at those of us who've been
>> here since the beginning and have simply given up on the space.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Rubin
>> rubin at starset.net
> 
> thank you.
> 
> -jake
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