[Noisebridge-discuss] Thought crimes at Noisebridge, and how can we stop them?

[Al Sweigart]

Jim, could you give some examples of which NB members left because of rule
makers rather than rule breakers? And can you say which rule makers and
what rules they had gripes about? (I don't mind if you name me among them.)


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:46 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
>
>     Trying to find community is a matter of bonding
> with others, yes? Why not come and find others who
> share your values and interests and, with respect
> to others, live and let live?
>     One big and largely ignored fact of NB is that
> there are several communities, such as the morning,
> mid-day, evening, and late evening people as well
> as those that center about electronics, sewing,
> software, cooking, spacebridge, and other interests.
>     It's unfortunate for some, who are harmless or
> who offer real benefits to some others, that the
> evening crowd has a much greater affect than others
> regarding NB governance, and one of the founding
> principles has been to recognize those who, for
> whatever reasons, do not or can not attend
> The Tuesday Night Meeting.
>
>     You've exaggerated the bad features and skipped
> the good features of Noisebridge. A couple of good
> features are
> * the openness provides a great place to meet people
>   that one otherwise would never meet.
> * cross-fertilization of interests and ideas among
>   various interest groups.
>
>     Those who simply "hack" and avoid the fray are
> affected by the decisions of those who kick up the
> fray: e.g. associate members and closing hours among
> other tho't crimes.
>     The attempts to impose rules to govern mostly
> * mask individuals' behaviors (people can blind
>   themselves to reality with the comfort that there
>   are rules)
> * and, it seems to me having watched NB from its
>   inception, like medicines' side effects, rules
>   generally are not worth the enforcement efforts.
>
>     It's frustrating to put up with the bad sides of
> any community, but rules usually do not address many
> aspects of reality that drive behavior; patience is
> a tough road.
>     There have been individual, do-ocratic efforts to
> address theft, sleeping, drug use, and other problems
> that were successful and did not employ rules.
>
>     Most of the people I learned to love have left.
> I guess that's partly a matter of natural attrition,
> but I know for a fact that to some degree people have
> abandoned NB because of the rule makers rather than
> the rule breakers.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 19:41 -0800, Madelynn Martiniere wrote:
> > Trying to find community is a thought crime? My bad, I didn't realize
> > the opinion of people who care about the future of the space were so
> > criminal.
> >
> > Considering this statement in your previous email:
> > And let's be honest, Noisebridge in the last two years (or even from the
> > beginning) hasn't been the best establishment to go flaunt around saying
> > you're a member of. It's sort of like telling all your friends you're a
> > paying member of the festering techno trash dump and care home for the
> > socially dongz, while mice and rats run around inside your sports blazer.
> >
> > Are you saying that it's not worth fixing because it's so messed up?
> > Because if so, then you're in no position to tell other people not to
> > try. If you're that sick and tired of hearing other people try to fix
> > a broken system, then I would suggest the alternative of just not
> > participating in any discussion about the space. Just hack some
> > things, and leave the rest of us to find productive solutions.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Madelynn
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Rubin Abdi
> > > December 18, 2013 6:37 PM
> > > I'm getting sick and tired of people thinking they can fix
> > > Noisebridge.
> > > How can we put an end to this issue?
> > >
> > >
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