[Noisebridge-discuss] misogynist loser visiting noisebridge

Jonathan Hart jonathan.hart at gmail.com
Wed Dec 25 07:01:35 UTC 2013

Thanks for the response, Al. I can imagine I am saying some things that
project me as naive, which is very likely true. :)

I think that if even Starbucks had a singular mission statement that read
"Be Excellent to Each Other" it would turn out to be a great place to work.

My take on it is that people just want a cool place to work.. if the
politics that are permeating through this list do not reflect the vibe of
the place, I would be happy to walk in.

I don't need anarchy because social order does have some pretty good
merits. In fact, I'd be happier walking into a place that had a set of
rules listed on the front door than a place where there are no supposed
rules, and the people who are supposed to run the place are trying to
figure out what to do by way of mailing list.. for years and years.


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Jonathan. Wishy-washy is a good way to describe it. For a space that
> was set up to be some sort of anarchist community, Noisebridge is
> incredibly conservative and hesitant to change the status quo. I mean, all
> the problems that Noisebridge currently has are the *exact* same ones it
> had two, three, four years ago.
> But we are making some changes by adding new rules (among them the
> anti-harassment policy, even though it's provisional). I like the new
> direction that Noisebridge is taking. There's just some blowback from
> people who are afraid of change, but once they see that Noisebridge isn't
> going to be destroyed or turned into an Apple Store/Starbucks or whatever,
> people will be fine with it.
> -Al
> PS - Oh man, you are going to get people jumping down your throat for
> saying "high quality people". :)
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Jonathan Hart <jonathan.hart at gmail.com>wrote:
>> Hey guys, I'm a lurker on this list and I just wanted to pose a couple
>> questions...
>> When do you guys think your notion of a drama free anarchy will align
>> itself with reality?
>> When will your own evolutionarily evolved ideals align with
>> off-the-street human nature?
>> You guys might sleep better at night by getting down to brass tacks. From
>> an outsider, it looks like you guys are desperately tip toeing around the
>> truth, which is a space like yours cannot be governed without real
>> governance. It seems like you have created a lot of hoops to jump through
>> to perpetuate the illusion that anarchy could work.
>> Long story short, make rules and don't be scared about it. At least form
>> a structure for the very process of making rules. From my point of view,
>> from all I've read, the structure you have now is not working at all.
>> Jonathan
>> PS - please don't hate me for not being one of you. I'm just trying to
>> help. I want to join Noisebridge and work on projects, but it seems like
>> the management of the place is too wishy washy to make it a safe place for
>> me to geek out. It seems like you want high quality people working on
>> innovative stuff, and I consider myself potentially one of those people,
>> but high quality people do their homework, such as subscribe to the mailing
>> list before hand, and the mailing list is not selling the place at all.
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