[Noisebridge-discuss] Why Consensus Kills Community

Charles Tang cjtang1 at asu.edu
Sat Dec 14 20:46:44 UTC 2013


"before that it was a guy whose rants were set off by a fish tank"

why don't you take a look at what everyone did the wikipage.

The rants were not about the fish tank, they were how I was treated because
of it.

Clearly, I wasn't the only one ranting.

And I wasn't set off. I mean you've complained much more about the
"sleepers" than I have about the fish tank.


On 14 December 2013 12:07, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:

> That time it was an amusing lawyer, before that it was a guy whose rants
> were set off by a fish tank, before that it was a long list of people who
> thought it was fine to cook personal meals, sleep, and live in the space.
> While the lawyer was an outlier (more tedious than amusing), the pattern is
> that Noisebridge attracts a lot of pushy, entitled people. The consensus &
> anarchism culture of "no rules, no one is the boss of me" allows
> strong-willed people to bully their way around while making others feel
> like they have no place to tell them to stop.
>
> Lawyer or no, I still think Madelynn's original five points summarize very
> real problems.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:57 AM, The Batkid <batkid at gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> >I'm talking about oddness like someone who was asked to come back to a
>> >Tuesday meeting after anti-social behaviour ending up in a screaming
>> >match, followed by his lawyer making legal threats to everyone there. >Or
>> the discussions around people hiding in spaces to sleep. Or leaving >human
>> crap everywhere. etc.
>>
>> I don't think you should blame the consensus process for the amusing
>> lawyer
>> that was an outlier, that particular lawyer has a decades long history of
>> being
>> very antagonizing to try to reach her goals.
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