[Noisebridge-discuss] door

[Danny O'Brien]

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 06:18:14AM -0800, hep wrote:
> Actually the reason I and many of my female hacker friends don't go to
> noisebridge is exactly why John was saying. I would honestly rather hang out on
> Mission St out front, than hang out at noisebridge, what with the way I have
> been approached in the space, and the type of people who I normally encounter
> on my relatively rare visits there. 
> 

Noisebridge has a mixed reputation for this, I think. Some women I know
like it because in almost all the instances where the community has
united, it's been to police creepy behaviour, and that's led to a sense
that concerns if voiced have some response, rather than being constantly
denied as a problem completely. We have a strong feminist group, and the
derp-derpiest comments at least in high-status discussions get shut down
fairly quickly.

On the other hand, all it takes is one shitty interaction, and what
edifice people have constructed collapses. I was chatting to a new
person yesterday who was trans, and they were really enthused by the
space and our tolerance and our diversity and I found myself saying to
her "you know, when or if it doesn't feel like that, tell me", and I
didn't really think that was enough. I don't really know how to convey
that we're sensitive to these things and welcoming, but at the same time
can't guarantee being a safe space.

I'd encourage you to come back and hang out more -- there's a few
avenues and times which are more protective than others, and it'd be
good to have you around.

d.



> -hep
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:50 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>     > Look around NB, Johny, see a lot of the female hackers that were there a
>     > while ago? Where did they all go? Is there a convention somewhere else?
> 
>     no way dude. i just checked with all the feminists and we'd rather hang out
>     with sketchy street people than brogrammers any day of the week. next
>     scapegoat please.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     On 1/17/2013 3:27 PM, John Withers wrote:
> 
>         On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 13:57 -0800, johny radio wrote:
> 
> 
>             Your solution seems based on the assumption that whomever gave
>             access
>             to the bad actor is a collaborator. That may be true in some cases,
>             but surely not most.
> 
> 
>         I think what Jake's pretty smart thinking here does is force us to
>         start
>         taking some responsibility for our community and the people entering
>         into it and is proposing one of the only workable ways I have heard so
>         far to do this.
> 
>         Look around NB, Johny, see a lot of the female hackers that were there
>         a
>         while ago? Where did they all go? Is there a convention somewhere else?
>         What has been stated by many people and while I don't personally
>         experience it, being male and all, I believe completely, is that NB has
>         become even more hostile and dangerous to women than is average in the
>         tech nerd community (which already has huge and well known issues in
>         this area). This is because we don't take responsibility for our
>         community and who is in it.
> 
>         We can't have nice things. This has been belabored in recent
>         conversations over and over and in waves since the dawn of NB time. Why
>         can't we have nice things? Why do hardware hackers realize we can't
>         work
>         on any project we can't carry in and out of the space because if we
>         leave anything on our shelves, no matter how esoteric, there is a 50%
>         chance it is going to disappear? Because we don't take responsibility
>         for our community and who is in it.
> 
>         Jake's thinking here isn't the solution to the problems of our
>         community,
>         but it sure looks to me like a step in the right direction.
> 
>         -john
> 
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