[Noisebridge-discuss] door

Fri Jan 18 19:04:53 UTC 2013

*one of the things i love (and so many others do too) about NB is that
it welcomes ALL beings as long as they are excellent to each other and
fosters an environment where a being who wouldn't normally even make
contact with another certain 'looking/acting' being does make contact
and builds a great interaction with them thus opening 'doors' for more
interactions they normally wouldn't have...

*and this supports that NB doesn't coddle or allow any
group/race/sexual orientation(s) to 'territorialize' the space and/or
make anyone feel outcast, unwelcome, or uncomfortable...

*and there is no patronization in that if you don't want to come, don't.

*chiming in electronically and putting the space down, putting beings
down, generally crying about shit while saying you don't even come to
the space is the monkey throwing it's shit from a tree then running
away...

*and if anyone can help the problem with the gmail filtration
system(yes i should just kill the gmail account) communicating with NB
it will be greatly appreciated as my filter list just gets longer
(blocking) by the day and it doesn't block them. maybe gmail has a max
they don't make public ;-)

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On 1/18/13, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 06:18:14AM -0800, hep wrote:
>> Actually the reason I and many of my female hacker friends don't go to
>> noisebridge is exactly why John was saying. I would honestly rather hang
>> out on
>> Mission St out front, than hang out at noisebridge, what with the way I
>> have
>> been approached in the space, and the type of people who I normally
>> encounter
>> on my relatively rare visits there.
>>
>
> Noisebridge has a mixed reputation for this, I think. Some women I know
> like it because in almost all the instances where the community has
> united, it's been to police creepy behaviour, and that's led to a sense
> that concerns if voiced have some response, rather than being constantly
> denied as a problem completely. We have a strong feminist group, and the
> derp-derpiest comments at least in high-status discussions get shut down
> fairly quickly.
>
> On the other hand, all it takes is one shitty interaction, and what
> edifice people have constructed collapses. I was chatting to a new
> person yesterday who was trans, and they were really enthused by the
> space and our tolerance and our diversity and I found myself saying to
> her "you know, when or if it doesn't feel like that, tell me", and I
> didn't really think that was enough. I don't really know how to convey
> that we're sensitive to these things and welcoming, but at the same time
> can't guarantee being a safe space.
>
> I'd encourage you to come back and hang out more -- there's a few
> avenues and times which are more protective than others, and it'd be
> good to have you around.
>
> d.
>
>
>
>> -hep
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:50 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
>> <rachelyra at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     > Look around NB, Johny, see a lot of the female hackers that were
>> there a
>>     > while ago? Where did they all go? Is there a convention somewhere
>> else?
>>
>>     no way dude. i just checked with all the feminists and we'd rather
>> hang out
>>     with sketchy street people than brogrammers any day of the week. next
>>     scapegoat please.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 1/17/2013 3:27 PM, John Withers wrote:
>>
>>         On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 13:57 -0800, johny radio wrote:
>>
>>
>>             Your solution seems based on the assumption that whomever
>> gave
>>             access
>>             to the bad actor is a collaborator. That may be true in some
>> cases,
>>             but surely not most.
>>
>>
>>         I think what Jake's pretty smart thinking here does is force us
>> to
>>         start
>>         taking some responsibility for our community and the people
>> entering
>>         into it and is proposing one of the only workable ways I have
>> heard so
>>         far to do this.
>>
>>         Look around NB, Johny, see a lot of the female hackers that were
>> there
>>         a
>>         while ago? Where did they all go? Is there a convention somewhere
>> else?
>>         What has been stated by many people and while I don't personally
>>         experience it, being male and all, I believe completely, is that
>> NB has
>>         become even more hostile and dangerous to women than is average in
>> the
>>         tech nerd community (which already has huge and well known issues
>> in
>>         this area). This is because we don't take responsibility for our
>>         community and who is in it.
>>
>>         We can't have nice things. This has been belabored in recent
>>         conversations over and over and in waves since the dawn of NB
>> time. Why
>>         can't we have nice things? Why do hardware hackers realize we
>> can't
>>         work
>>         on any project we can't carry in and out of the space because if
>> we
>>         leave anything on our shelves, no matter how esoteric, there is a
>> 50%
>>         chance it is going to disappear? Because we don't take
>> responsibility
>>         for our community and who is in it.
>>
>>         Jake's thinking here isn't the solution to the problems of our
>>         community,
>>         but it sure looks to me like a step in the right direction.
>>
>>         -john
>>
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