[Noisebridge-discuss] CopCards

[Leif Ryge]

On Sun, Jul 07, 2013 at 09:30:47PM -0700, Sai wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
> > The "reminder" card says "Stay silent! Say nothing except whats on the
> > prompt card, or just point to it. Give them your license, insurance, &
> > registration if driving."
> >
> > I am also not a lawyer, but this seems like bad advice. Are you sure
> > automobile drivers aren't required to say more than is on your prompt
> > card?
> 
> To the best of my knowledge, the only increased requirement for a
> driver is to show license, registration, and insurance. You don't have
> to say a damn thing, since you just gave them ID. You do have to get
> out of the car if asked and otherwise comply with lawful orders.
> 
> If you disagree, please give an example of something not on the card
> that someone would need to *say* (as opposed to *do*).

Here is one example: In the state of Washington (and probably other
states) you have to tell the officer who owns the car you're driving:
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.61.020
via http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2009/03/03/what-are-you-legally-required-to-do-during-a-traffic-stop-2/
via searching "traffic stop" "right to remain silent", which has some
other interesting hits.

> > Also, it would be nice if you had the text available in a form other
> > than a photoshop document, and if you had the source documents in
> > version control. (Why not use SVG or something else standard?)
> 
> I just made a simple export; the PSDs are the original. I could put
> 'em up in .txt form I guess?
> 
> I could put it into my github if you want, though I don't much see the
> point of that to be honest.

I think it would be useful to see how the text evolves. It would also
make it easier for others to suggest changes (eg, pull requests).

~leif

> 
> - Sai
> 
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 07, 2013 at 07:17:41PM -0700, Josh Juran wrote:
> >> On Jul 7, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Sai wrote:
> >>
> >> >Recently, I designed CopCards: basically, a pair of credit card sized
> >> >cards that concisely remind you of your rights with police and prompt
> >> >you for what to say when interacting with them if you want to preserve
> >> >those rights.
> >> >
> >> >They're available at http://s.ai/copcards.
> >>
> >> http://s.ai/copcards/
> >>
> >> Nice.  Wouldn't PNG make more sense than JPG for non-photos?
> >>
> >> Josh
> >
> > The "reminder" card says "Stay silent! Say nothing except whats on the
> > prompt card, or just point to it. Give them your license, insurance, &
> > registration if driving."
> >
> > I am also not a lawyer, but this seems like bad advice. Are you sure
> > automobile drivers aren't required to say more than is on your prompt
> > card?
> >
> > Also, it would be nice if you had the text available in a form other
> > than a photoshop document, and if you had the source documents in
> > version control. (Why not use SVG or something else standard?)
> >
> > ~leif
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