[Noisebridge-discuss] CopCards

Jeffrey Carl Faden jeffreyatw at gmail.com
Tue Jul 9 22:22:34 UTC 2013


Maestro, that's definitely in violation of the One Rule.

Jeffrey

On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:21 PM, maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com> wrote:

> G. F. Y. .[punto]
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> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
> Please keep legal advice off the list.  This is getting into stuff that you researched, which may or may not be 100% accurate.  I would suggest taking these cards to a local lawyer and using a free consultation to see if it is legit in your area.   The law is such a grey area and there are so many things you can do wrong (remaining silent can hurt you now sometimes for example).   
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> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Sai <i at s.ai> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:05 AM, maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > just a small add-on to this is A LOT of people think rules change in a
> > traffic stop as you *must have* been pulled over for something.
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> If it's a legal stop, yes. You can't be stopped in the first place
> without reasonable suspicion, unless it's a checkpoint.
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> > you
> > only have to crack your window a tiny bit and make sure you lock your
> > doors. even if they continue to ask you to roll down the window
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> If the detention was legal in the first place, they are allowed to
> insist that you roll it down, that you get out of the car, move the
> car, etc.
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> > you
> > just calmly say "no, i'm okay with it like this and i can hear you, am
> > i being detained? (and on what charge)". and it's the same as the
> > street if they don't answer you can calmly say that they're non-answer
> > means you are free to go. if they don't answer just say it again "am i
> > being detained, and for what charge?" "am i free to go then?"
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> There's a fine line there. They do *not* have to tell you why you are
> being detained. They don't even have to tell you explicitly *that* you
> are being detained, though if you ask and they don't answer you can
> say something like "you haven't told me I'm being detained, so as far
> as I understand I'm free to go. I'm going to leave now". That is, you
> don't get to decide whether you're detained or not, but you get to act
> on a reasonable understanding of the situation.
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> > film them the whole time with your phone or whatever too. they'll ask
> > you to turn it off but they can ONLY ask, you DO NOT have to turn your
> > camera off ever.
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> Mostly true. It has to be in the open. There are some situations in
> which they can take it physically out of your hands because of
> "officer safety", i.e. because they suspect it is a disguised gun or
> the like.
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> OTOH if you show them that it's a functional recorder by eg showing
> the recording screen, then that claim would evaporate. And the DoJ has
> not been friendly at all lately to police officers who act to stop
> people from recording them.
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> - Sai
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