[Noisebridge-discuss] CopCards

[Ronald Cotoni]

Maestro, Be Excellent!  Please 2 try.


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>wrote:

> Maestro, that's definitely in violation of the One Rule.
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> Jeffrey
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> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:21 PM, maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> G. F. Y. .[punto]
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> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Please keep legal advice off the list.  This is getting into stuff that
>> you researched, which may or may not be 100% accurate.  I would suggest
>> taking these cards to a local lawyer and using a free consultation to see
>> if it is legit in your area.   The law is such a grey area and there are so
>> many things you can do wrong (remaining silent can hurt you now sometimes
>> for example).
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>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Sai <i at s.ai> wrote:
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>>>  On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:05 AM, maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > just a small add-on to this is A LOT of people think rules change in a
>>> > traffic stop as you *must have* been pulled over for something.
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>>> If it's a legal stop, yes. You can't be stopped in the first place
>>> without reasonable suspicion, unless it's a checkpoint.
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>>> > you
>>> > only have to crack your window a tiny bit and make sure you lock your
>>> > doors. even if they continue to ask you to roll down the window
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>>> If the detention was legal in the first place, they are allowed to
>>> insist that you roll it down, that you get out of the car, move the
>>> car, etc.
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>>> > you
>>> > just calmly say "no, i'm okay with it like this and i can hear you, am
>>> > i being detained? (and on what charge)". and it's the same as the
>>> > street if they don't answer you can calmly say that they're non-answer
>>> > means you are free to go. if they don't answer just say it again "am i
>>> > being detained, and for what charge?" "am i free to go then?"
>>>
>>> There's a fine line there. They do *not* have to tell you why you are
>>> being detained. They don't even have to tell you explicitly *that* you
>>> are being detained, though if you ask and they don't answer you can
>>> say something like "you haven't told me I'm being detained, so as far
>>> as I understand I'm free to go. I'm going to leave now". That is, you
>>> don't get to decide whether you're detained or not, but you get to act
>>> on a reasonable understanding of the situation.
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>>> > film them the whole time with your phone or whatever too. they'll ask
>>> > you to turn it off but they can ONLY ask, you DO NOT have to turn your
>>> > camera off ever.
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>>> Mostly true. It has to be in the open. There are some situations in
>>> which they can take it physically out of your hands because of
>>> "officer safety", i.e. because they suspect it is a disguised gun or
>>> the like.
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>>> OTOH if you show them that it's a functional recorder by eg showing
>>> the recording screen, then that claim would evaporate. And the DoJ has
>>> not been friendly at all lately to police officers who act to stop
>>> people from recording them.
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>>> - Sai
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>> --
>> Ronald Cotoni
>> Systems Engineer
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