[Noisebridge-discuss] happy feminist film night: Hayao Miyazaki?

[hep]

I find this whole line of questioning to be really strange and wonder why
you even brought it up? plz advz.

-hep


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 29 July 2013 15:18, rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > (I am re-forwarding to list, in the hopes of keeping public discussion
> > public. I'm not in this discussion to get feminist troll jollies, or to
> do
> > pro bono one-on-one lessons in feminist thought. I'm seeking to have
> public
> > culturehacking discussions about issues that are clearly important to
> many
> > members of the NB community.)
>
> .. and I would've at least liked you to ask if you could have
> forwarded the response public. I would've said yes. Oh well, with that
> in mind..
>
> >
> > Your question seems to me to presuppose a parity in this discussion - ie,
> > that in a discussion about feminism, the opinions of all should be
> weighted
> > equally.
>
> My question was actually not about feminimsm. My question was about
> your particular open-ness to change your views on a variety of topics.
>
> And just so people don't misunderstand me, I'll re-quote my question
> in-line:
>
> ===
>
> This begs a question, if only to see what it's like from your perspective.
>
> I completely agree with your "are you willing to modify your position"
> outlook. But does this also mean you're willing to modify your own
> ideals, morals and opinions? Which ones would you hold steadfastly to,
> even in the face of evidence?
>
> I tend to get some very uncomfortable silences when I ask people this
> as they tend to assume I'm trolling rather than seeing if they're
> truly as open to adapting to a changing world and accepting their own
> shortcomings as they expect others to be. Hence, I'm curious.
>
> ===
>
> Nowhere here did I once mention "feminimsm." Again, with that said..
>
> > I believe that in a discussion about feminist goals, women are the de
> facto
> > experts. I do not expect blind abasement to my opinions in all matters.
> I do
> > expect that my opinion of [*what women ought to do* in order to try and
> be
> > less oppressed] is more valid than that of a not-woman.
>
> *nod*
>
> > I further often hear similar sentiments to this email that to me,
> overall,
> > sound like 'why do *you* get to have prime number one opinion?! Unfair!'
> > Which seems to indicate a belief that I would hold (or have held) the
> same
> > stance WRT some other discussion that is not supposed to be centered on
> what
> > I think and feel. I change my beliefs all the time, based on evidence I
> am
> > constantly gathering from the world around me. I listen really well to
> the
> > opinions of others, actually. After all, part of how they train you to
> be a
> > woman in this society is to make sure you listen more and speak less. We
> are
> > experts at hearing how your opinions center in your self. We are the
> half of
> > society that is trained to center in others, to listen, support, and
> learn
> > passively. We must undo that training and if you want to help then google
> > around 'how to be a good ally'. I promise it starts and ends with
> listening,
> > and has f*ckall to do with you worrying about my personal growth. Worry
> > about your own.
> >
> > I only started learning the language of feminism recently, to describe
> > patterns I have empirically observed in a way that is more systematized,
> > less easily dismissed. Ultimately, feminism is centered on women, what
> they
> > think, feel, and want. It's not about anything except the collaborative
> > opinion of a certain group of people.
> >
> > Which seems to be the main sticking point for lots of folks.
> >
> > I invite you to consider that this novel feeling is in fact a reversal
> of an
> > invisible, insidious, and very strong status quo.
>
> Thank you for your response.
>
>
>
> -adrian
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