[Noisebridge-discuss] It has come to my attention that...

Tue Jun 18 03:46:21 UTC 2013

To get this straight, You say you had handed me a syringe with medication
in it, don't remember how your pants came off, and thought I confused the
entire affair with a sexual advance ...until you had heard from another
person that I had given them a massage in the hackertorium and then weeks
later blew off an e-mail from them. Seeing the similarities between these
behaviors, you contacted Liz through Tony, and are angry I am still allowed
in the space. Is that a fair summary?
On Jun 17, 2013 7:58 PM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought you had administered the shot on me before, but if that's the
> case then I must be mixing you up with someone else who had previously
> helped me. Either way, you made me feel violated, and inappropriately put
> your hands where you did not have permission to put them. I wouldn't have
> pushed this case had others not told me they had similar experiences with
> you. I figured it was a single instance case and originally excused your
> behavior because I assumed you were on some sort of substance and had
> confused me saying "give me my shot in my butt" for something sexual.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>
>> You know, if I was trying to build a case in my own self-interest here,
>> I'd just let this stand, but I have never administered any medication to
>> you, ever. -dru
>>  On Jun 17, 2013 6:31 PM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Gavin: It's possible that I can do a video chat for the meeting. If
>>> anyone wants to help set that up, feel free to send me a private email.
>>>
>>> @Ron: I'd honestly rather not get the law enforcement involved. Having
>>> to deal with court cases in an entirely different city is not something I
>>> want to even bother spending my time doing, not to mention the fact that I
>>> don't believe any crime is worth locking a human being up. I just want this
>>> brought up at a meeting so the people who have been feeling far too
>>> uncomfortable to show up at Noisebridge can once again feel safe.
>>>
>>> @Andrew: I don't recall exposing myself after you reached around my
>>> body, all I remember is not being able to look at you and feeling heavily
>>> violated by your inappropriate touch. You had administered my shot before
>>> without violating my personal space, so perhaps you're mixing it up with
>>> one of those times.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah yes, this I remember. You laid down on the table, I moved to unzip
>>>> your pants, you deferred, unzipped them with your hand, then exposed
>>>> yourself for the medical administration you had asked for.
>>>>
>>>> Humbly submitted to the daylight of public opinion; I've got nothing to
>>>> hide and I'm glad this is being recorded by the publicly searchable Google
>>>> alongside the NSA.
>>>> On Jun 17, 2013 12:46 PM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You tried to unzip my pants for me, that's what initially made me
>>>>> uncomfortable. You reached around my body, putting your hands very near my
>>>>> genitals and began to unzip my pants for me. That's when I tensed up and
>>>>> asked you what the fuck you were doing. You made me far too tense and
>>>>> uncomfortable to receive a shot from you. It also wasn't until Kim came
>>>>> into the room offering you weed that you actually left. Dante was not in
>>>>> the room when it happened, it was only you and I. However Dante did see my
>>>>> fear, shock and discomfort after the incident. And it was Dante who helped
>>>>> calm me down enough to be able to receive my estrogen injection.
>>>>>
>>>>> The email I sent to Tony, which was later sent to Liz is word for word
>>>>> what happened. Below is a screenshot.
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Since this is all out on the list, I feel the need to present my
>>>>>> side; it is clear to me now what this is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For a few weeks, Lillian had asked of I could give her one of her
>>>>>> supplemental estrogen shots, and one night I was at NoiseBridge when
>>>>>> Lillian asked me to give her her shot. I said sure, she climbed up, laid
>>>>>> down on the table, and pulled down her jeans enough to expose her buttocks,
>>>>>> I readied the injection and placed my left hand on the back of her upper
>>>>>> thigh. She stiffened, and told me that she felt uncomfortable, so I
>>>>>> stopped, moved away, apologized for the discomfort and then left the room.
>>>>>> There was never a "what the fuck are you doing?".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's pretty rich that /she/ is accusing me of cocaine use. It's not
>>>>>> out of my experience, but as I have dopamine insensitivity--ADD--the stuff
>>>>>> doesn't have the pleasure response for me that justifies the absurd prices;
>>>>>> that and the killing South Americans bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, the only other witness in the room was Dante I think
>>>>>> Dante was expelled from the Tuesday meeting two weeks ago and is
>>>>>> unquestionably her "other people"--Dante got angry when I sent him an email
>>>>>> invitation to a 'digital feminine' salon b/c he doesn't see himself as
>>>>>> feminine and started this whole process about three weeks after Lillian
>>>>>> left; it was then that Lillian "unfriended" me on Fb. That only sounds
>>>>>> trite until I add that she accepted my friend request after leaving SF for
>>>>>> wherever she is now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd still like to drag up the Dante incident, as there were several
>>>>>> witnesses on my side and a documented willful misrepresentation to Liz on
>>>>>> Dante's. I would like to ask Liz now to retain copies of her emails
>>>>>> regarding this for possible subpoena.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A friend? No you saw me as a rube.
>>>>>> -dru
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2013 11:06 AM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well maybe you should have thought about these things before you
>>>>>>> pinned me down on a table and began unzipping my pants without any
>>>>>>> permission at all, refusing to stop even after I froze in fear asking what
>>>>>>> the fuck you were doing. I was shaken after that. I used to like you Drew,
>>>>>>> and it took me so long to report anything because I was worried about
>>>>>>> hurting someone I thought was a good person. You seemed to be high on
>>>>>>> cocaine or something, which initially allowed me to excuse the behavior. It
>>>>>>> wasn't until other people made me realize this wasn't just a one off
>>>>>>> incident that I decided to report what had happened. I recall you making
>>>>>>> creepy sexual comments about others way before this incident too, so
>>>>>>> looking back now I don't find what happened surprising and I probably could
>>>>>>> have prevented being violated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Andrew Byrne <
>>>>>>> andrew at pachakutech.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would also like to point out the assumption of my guilt
>>>>>>>> throughout this discourse; I was told I was considered a sexual predator by
>>>>>>>> the anarcho-fem community a week before being contacted officially, and
>>>>>>>> this hateful trope has been driving me away from the space since. It will
>>>>>>>> doubtless screw with my social life for another few months and affects me
>>>>>>>> professionally; I can't even get a response from Mozilla's bug network now,
>>>>>>>> thanks to this. I know, hard to empathize with someone the mediator is
>>>>>>>> calling out, but once this is cleared up, I'd like this experience well
>>>>>>>> documented -dru
>>>>>>>>  On Jun 16, 2013 9:29 PM, "Liz Henry" <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would also like for this to be discussed again in a meeting. I
>>>>>>>>> brought this up at the meeting not last week but the week before. But, I
>>>>>>>>> have not been in the greatest of health and have missed a lot of meetings.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was also brought to my attention that Jesse Z. wants to come
>>>>>>>>> back to Noisebridge.   I do not think this is a good idea.  Basically, I
>>>>>>>>> don't want to be around people who have behaved in the ways that either
>>>>>>>>> Jesse and Dru have behaved.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are so many good things about Noisebridge, and about its
>>>>>>>>> openness.  To keep that good for as many people as possible we do need to
>>>>>>>>> have good boundaries.  And ask people who have shown great disrespect for
>>>>>>>>> others by non consensual behavior to stay away and work out their issues to
>>>>>>>>> learn better behavior in some other context, rather than being in the
>>>>>>>>> middle of an space without much in the way of rules or safety.  Sexual
>>>>>>>>> assault and other violent behavior destroys our ability to trust each
>>>>>>>>> other. I want to be able to trust people at NB, and to be able to tell
>>>>>>>>> others they are likely relatively safe there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Liz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Lillian Fleurs <
>>>>>>>>> lillian.fleurs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A member of the community known as Andrew "Dru" Byrne has yet to
>>>>>>>>>> be kicked out of the community. Right before I moved he did some EXTREMELY
>>>>>>>>>> inappropriate and non consensual things to me that extend far beyond
>>>>>>>>>> creepy. I sent some emails to Tony "LeTigre", who then forwarded them to
>>>>>>>>>> Liz. I had asked both of them to keep what had happened to me anonymous.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm coming out of anonymity because it appears nothing has been done to get
>>>>>>>>>> rid of someone who poses a high threat to other members of the community
>>>>>>>>>> (both male and female, trans and cis).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately since I no longer live in San Francisco, I can not
>>>>>>>>>> show up to a Noisebridge meeting but I would like this issue brought up,
>>>>>>>>>> because others who still use the space have expressed to me that they don't
>>>>>>>>>> feel safe around Andrew either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry for the drama, but I'm not the one who started it.
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>>>>>>>>> Liz Henry
>>>>>>>>> lhenry at mozilla.com
>>>>>>>>> lizhenry at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
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