[Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Re: Red asked to leave.

Danny O'Brien danny at spesh.com
Wed Jun 19 03:14:22 UTC 2013

Hey Mike,

Welcome to noisebridge-discuss. As you can see, the discussion here can be
robust and wide-ranging. It's always worth saying that if you have or
perceive a problem, it's often quicker to discuss it in the space, or come
to Tuesday meeting.

One small note: we traditionally have people (or even one person) join the
list, pretend to be regular visitors to the space, drop in a carefully
constructed (but tortuous) observation that is intended to stir up
arguments even more. It's kind of unnecessary -- people at Noisebridge are
perfectly capable of trolling each other, or even self-trolling themselves.
It complicates matters though because even when mildly trolling, real
people are trying to convey their (sometimes bizarro) opinions. The devoted
trollers' habits aren't really intended to convey information, and they're
kind of boring.

Anyway, my point here is that you have, possibly in error, hit a number of
the indicators of the drive-by-troll: throwaway email address, claims to be
recent subscriber, and making a point by adopting a peculiarly inflammatory

The best way to fix this is to just come up to someone in the space, and
introduce yourself by your pseudonym. Otherwise, this would be a first
warning. Note again that this isn't due to the content of your point, it's
due to you triggering a bunch of "probably bad faith troll" indicators.
Believe me, it's really hard to tell fake trolls from real people, but we
do try, and sorry again if you got caught in the crossfire.


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:35 AM, MIke C <rsw19800 at gmail.com> wrote:

> (I've been following this list since I started coming to NB since the end of May. This is my first contribution)
> I think this is a great idea. I've only been coming into the space for a few weeks but there's a few frightening things I've noticed.
> I would love to help out on this workshop. We should get the white power guy to come and put him on the spot, then once we've destroyed his arguments and he's banned from the space, have the SFPD kick his ass outside the gate downstairs. This should give everyone in the neighbourhood a good impression that peckerwood whiteys need to watch their step here.
> I also think we should put together some sort of anti-sexuality workshop. A week or so ago when I was cleaning up the kitchen, I saw someone I didn't recognize. This guy had a gay pride tattoo on their arm and were wearing a black shirt with 'breeders for fertilizer' written on it under a denim vest. This is also hate speech, and if anyone recognizes this person he should be asked to leave as well.
> Before you accuse me of comparing apples and bowling balls here, this is a very similar situation to your peckerwood. Neither have actually broken the law as it stands (where the I AM A RAPIST guy someone eluded to would have had to if it were true), but they make folks uncomfortable and yes, a hackerspace can exclude whoever the fuck they want to.
> Mike
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com <https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss>> wrote:
> > Thank you hep and snail, well said. I wonder if you might want to join me> in hosting an anti-racism workshop in the space some time in the next few> weeks -- in July. Another possibility is having an antiracism meeting> happen where some of us can develop and disseminate some of these core> values and assert them in the space.
> > - liz
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