[Noisebridge-discuss] Response to Rebase Notes
r33lmm at gmail.com
Thu Jun 27 00:53:59 UTC 2013
I think this helps illustrate the point of why we are making an effort to
have a physical in person meeting regularly to discuss these issues, as
context and relevance easily gets skewed via something like the mailing
Johny hopefully you can make the next meeting and bring up and discuss your
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Whoaaa, hello. I "demonize non-members", do I?
> Man, I better stop taking such detailed notes on my own arguments,
> because apparently what I am saying when the words are written down
> gets a completely different meaning from the words that come out of my
> Was anyone at the Rebase meeting concerned that I was demonizing
> A lot of your responses, JR, actually don't match what was said at the
> meeting. I can take responsibility for that if what is written is by
> nature confusing.
> Teaching moment for me: don't take detailed notes?
> Is anyone else having trouble understanding what I wrote? Please
> comment whether you were at the meeting or not. This is important.
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Here's my response to the Rebase Meeting Notes. I'm "JR":
> > JR: Need "maintainers" to handle areas: kitchen, electronics bench,
> > classrooms, woodshop, etc.
> > scott: wants to build lockers.
> > -JR: Hells yes. With locks.
> > mik: tiered access, people should be vouched for before they can use the
> > space for more than two hours
> > -JR: Hells yes.
> > jarrod: related to cleaning -- The Hack Shelves... define a process for
> > excoriating cruft
> > -JR: There are two processes needed. One for the one-time purge
> > needed, another process for on-going maintenance.
> > james: Dub Rack.
> > -JR: what's that?
> > mik: the rabble thinks NB is a place to come hang out. Ppl get buzzed in
> > being greeted, enculturated, etc.
> > -JR: yes.
> > JC: if you buzz someone in, you should greet them at the door. naomi:
> post a
> > list of procedures next to the buzzer!
> > -JR: NO, this is exactly what has NOT worked up until now. We cannot
> > that expectation on users, they WILL NOT DO IT, just as THEY HAVE NOT
> > DOING IT. You can say "you should" all you want, you can put up a list of
> > procedures, but they STILL will not do it. And as a user, i do not WANT
> > do it-- i've got work to do. NB needs trained greeters.
> > leif: NB is not going to be amenable to NOT being open to the public.
> > -JR: Yes, that's supposed to be on the "Things we will not change"
> > But does Leif mean temporary, or permanent? A temporary closure of any
> > public space for renovation etc. is reasonable. If someone is
> "dependent" on
> > the space for survival such that a two-week closure will cause them
> > is that NB's problem?
> > v: people need to be introduced to the
> > -JR: To the what?
> > CONCERNS ABOUT ACCESS v: PPL who hack the things that we need. mik: The
> > Occupiers, The Homeless People, ppl who treat this place as a shelter.
> > -JR: Occupiers and homeless people hack things we need? No, they
> > don't hack anything.
> > james: keep accessibility for ppl from all walks of life.
> > -JR: Yes-- TO HACK!!!
> > leif: everyone's empowered to ask ppl to leave.
> > -JR: Terrible process, turns anyone into a self-appointed bully.
> > have been asked to leave for no good reason-- no consistency in criteria.
> > Many do not want to deal with the confrontation. DOCENTS should handle
> > DOGMAGGEDDON HAPPENS
> > -JR: Yes, i'm tired of being growled at, or having to walk an
> > route around the space to avoid confrontation with growling dogs.
> > naomi: let's keep the perspective of increasing friction to things
> > hacked, not "preventing" thefts/hacking/etc
> > -JR: What is "friction to things getting hacked"? We must PREVENT
> > theft-- or control door access. Why is naomi against preventing theft?
> > leif: TechShop has an awesome waiver. If you want to work in a place like
> > that, go there.
> > -JR: What waiver? Is leif against improving NB?
> > naomi: ppl who are members and have time and energy to invest should
> > they have an advantage over ppl who hack opportunistically. you can plan
> > protection/access control into your project.
> > -JR: What is "hack opportunistically"? NB is supposed to be open to
> > community to hack. Naomi is demonizing non-members.
> > -JR: How can i "plan access control" into an oscillator that i'm
> > developing on the electronics bench? Lockers needed.
> > JC: welcome desk.
> > -JR: Hells yes.
> > naomi: SIGNAGE. And, take down crufty materials that compete for people's
> > attention.
> > -JR: People tend to ignore signs, especially signs that say "do such
> > such". Docents, greeters, maintainers needed.
> > -JR: We need maintainers to clear out outdated posted materials. A
> > consistent process, not haphazard.
> > dana: improving the buzzer! an LED board you can program from IRC (for
> > example).
> > leif: How would you distribute access?
> > -JR: Remove the buzzer, hand out MORE keys and codes. Any "approved"
> > user can hand out 'public' codes, any member can give private codes and
> > keys. Public codes can be shared with many, and revoked anytime as
> > private codes are secret, and for one person only.
> > james: Get rid of old furniture.
> > -JR: Which?
> > JC: move the *lounge* up to the front.
> > -JR: Why?
> > JC: wants to go through electronics bench. COLORED STICKERS for triage:
> > -JR: Douglas Benner volunteered to be Electronics Bench maintainer.
> > Should be shared responsibility.
> > mct: rip out the kitchen!?
> > -JR: Food hacking/ tastebridge is essential hacking. Kick out the
> > misusing the kitchen. Remove the kitchen, and misusers will remain.
> > out the kitchen is s a substitute solution, instead dealing with people
> > should not be in the space, ie., access control.
> > next week's theme: THE KITCHEN
> > -JR: We should focus on a topic until the topic is resolved, whether
> > takes a day or a month. How can we switch to "kitchen" next week, with
> > this unfinished non-kitchen stuff?
> > Thanks!
> > --
> > Johny Radio
> > Stick It In Your Ear!
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