[Noisebridge-discuss] Response to Rebase Notes

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Thu Jun 27 01:57:52 UTC 2013

...but I can't help but reply, as I sit here waiting for Windows 7 to
infect another innocent computer.

> naomi: let's keep the perspective of increasing friction to things getting hacked, not "preventing"
> thefts/hacking/etc
>  -JR: What is "friction to things getting hacked"? We must PREVENT theft-- or control door access.
>     Why is naomi against preventing theft?

(1) Would you have everything be completely locked up in lockers?
Everything?  Think about that.  Some things, like laser cutters and
Dub Racks, can't really be locked up.  They CAN, however, be messed
with -- and probably opportunistically rather than as a concerted

My comment -- and another you took issue with -- was meant to inspire
thinking about how "nice things" could be protected in one way by
having the people installing them thinking of how to increase the
difficulty of ability to mess with those "nice things".

One of those solutions is a lock.  But I, personally, will not be
surprised or upset if someone picks that lock.  This is what I mean by
"increasing friction" rather than "preventing theft".

(2) Do you believe it is actually *possible* to achieve a state of
total non-theft?  I don't. That's why I made that statement -- it was
one of encouragement to have a certain perspective of success, in the
face of potential despair that nothing will work.

(3) Have you stopped beating your wife yet, Jonny?


On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, don't worry, I took your off-list recommendation into account.
> That's why my reply *isn't* defensive -- I'm trying to understand why
> the words as written down in the meeting notes have been so grossly
> misunderstood.
> Don't take it personally.  You misunderstood, but it takes two to
> create mis-sense.  I'm taking responsibility for my half of the
> equation, and wondering if I can do better.
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 6/26/2013 5:40 PM, Naomi Most wrote:
>>> Man, I better stop taking such detailed notes on my own arguments,
>>> because apparently what I am saying when the words are written down
>>> gets a completely different meaning from the words that come out of my
>>> mouth.
>> Hi Naomi,
>> as i wrote you off-list, apologies if i misunderstood your meaning. No need
>> to get defensive and dramatic. This was the part i misunderstood:
>>  * naomi: ppl who are members and have time and energy to invest should
>>    realize they have an advantage over ppl who hack opportunistically.
>>    you can plan protection/access control into your project.
>> --
>> Johny Radio
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