[Noisebridge-discuss] It has come to my attention that...

Ronald Cotoni setient at gmail.com
Mon Jun 17 22:17:14 UTC 2013


Honestly, this matter is best dealt with with Law Enforcement.   I do not
think noisebridge is adequately equipped to deal with sexual assault.


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Gavin Knight <gnnrok at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a tough situation. Just a reminder the list is public and
> accessible via google, so probably a meeting is a good place for this.
>
> I'm sure someone could arrange a video chat or something for anyone
> who is not near Noisebridge.
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
> > A quick note, I need to go get on a plane. The Dante who was at the
> meeting
> > the other night and who was asked to leave (the tweaker dude) was a
> > different person named Dante.
> >
> > - liz
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Since this is all out on the list, I feel the need to present my side;
> it
> >> is clear to me now what this is.
> >>
> >> For a few weeks, Lillian had asked of I could give her one of her
> >> supplemental estrogen shots, and one night I was at NoiseBridge when
> Lillian
> >> asked me to give her her shot. I said sure, she climbed up, laid down
> on the
> >> table, and pulled down her jeans enough to expose her buttocks, I
> readied
> >> the injection and placed my left hand on the back of her upper thigh.
> She
> >> stiffened, and told me that she felt uncomfortable, so I stopped, moved
> >> away, apologized for the discomfort and then left the room. There was
> never
> >> a "what the fuck are you doing?".
> >>
> >> It's pretty rich that /she/ is accusing me of cocaine use. It's not out
> of
> >> my experience, but as I have dopamine insensitivity--ADD--the stuff
> doesn't
> >> have the pleasure response for me that justifies the absurd prices;
> that and
> >> the killing South Americans bit.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, the only other witness in the room was Dante I think
> Dante
> >> was expelled from the Tuesday meeting two weeks ago and is
> unquestionably
> >> her "other people"--Dante got angry when I sent him an email invitation
> to a
> >> 'digital feminine' salon b/c he doesn't see himself as feminine and
> started
> >> this whole process about three weeks after Lillian left; it was then
> that
> >> Lillian "unfriended" me on Fb. That only sounds trite until I add that
> she
> >> accepted my friend request after leaving SF for wherever she is now.
> >>
> >> I'd still like to drag up the Dante incident, as there were several
> >> witnesses on my side and a documented willful misrepresentation to Liz
> on
> >> Dante's. I would like to ask Liz now to retain copies of her emails
> >> regarding this for possible subpoena.
> >>
> >> A friend? No you saw me as a rube.
> >> -dru
> >>
> >> On Jun 17, 2013 11:06 AM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well maybe you should have thought about these things before you pinned
> >>> me down on a table and began unzipping my pants without any permission
> at
> >>> all, refusing to stop even after I froze in fear asking what the fuck
> you
> >>> were doing. I was shaken after that. I used to like you Drew, and it
> took me
> >>> so long to report anything because I was worried about hurting someone
> I
> >>> thought was a good person. You seemed to be high on cocaine or
> something,
> >>> which initially allowed me to excuse the behavior. It wasn't until
> other
> >>> people made me realize this wasn't just a one off incident that I
> decided to
> >>> report what had happened. I recall you making creepy sexual comments
> about
> >>> others way before this incident too, so looking back now I don't find
> what
> >>> happened surprising and I probably could have prevented being violated.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I would also like to point out the assumption of my guilt throughout
> >>>> this discourse; I was told I was considered a sexual predator by the
> >>>> anarcho-fem community a week before being contacted officially, and
> this
> >>>> hateful trope has been driving me away from the space since. It will
> >>>> doubtless screw with my social life for another few months and
> affects me
> >>>> professionally; I can't even get a response from Mozilla's bug
> network now,
> >>>> thanks to this. I know, hard to empathize with someone the mediator is
> >>>> calling out, but once this is cleared up, I'd like this experience
> well
> >>>> documented -dru
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jun 16, 2013 9:29 PM, "Liz Henry" <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would also like for this to be discussed again in a meeting. I
> >>>>> brought this up at the meeting not last week but the week before.
> But, I
> >>>>> have not been in the greatest of health and have missed a lot of
> meetings.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It was also brought to my attention that Jesse Z. wants to come back
> to
> >>>>> Noisebridge.   I do not think this is a good idea.  Basically, I
> don't want
> >>>>> to be around people who have behaved in the ways that either Jesse
> and Dru
> >>>>> have behaved.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are so many good things about Noisebridge, and about its
> >>>>> openness.  To keep that good for as many people as possible we do
> need to
> >>>>> have good boundaries.  And ask people who have shown great
> disrespect for
> >>>>> others by non consensual behavior to stay away and work out their
> issues to
> >>>>> learn better behavior in some other context, rather than being in
> the middle
> >>>>> of an space without much in the way of rules or safety.  Sexual
> assault and
> >>>>> other violent behavior destroys our ability to trust each other. I
> want to
> >>>>> be able to trust people at NB, and to be able to tell others they
> are likely
> >>>>> relatively safe there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Liz
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Lillian Fleurs
> >>>>> <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A member of the community known as Andrew "Dru" Byrne has yet to be
> >>>>>> kicked out of the community. Right before I moved he did some
> EXTREMELY
> >>>>>> inappropriate and non consensual things to me that extend far
> beyond creepy.
> >>>>>> I sent some emails to Tony "LeTigre", who then forwarded them to
> Liz. I had
> >>>>>> asked both of them to keep what had happened to me anonymous. I'm
> coming out
> >>>>>> of anonymity because it appears nothing has been done to get rid of
> someone
> >>>>>> who poses a high threat to other members of the community (both
> male and
> >>>>>> female, trans and cis).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Unfortunately since I no longer live in San Francisco, I can not
> show
> >>>>>> up to a Noisebridge meeting but I would like this issue brought up,
> because
> >>>>>> others who still use the space have expressed to me that they don't
> feel
> >>>>>> safe around Andrew either.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm sorry for the drama, but I'm not the one who started it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> >>>>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
> >>>>> Liz Henry
> >>>>> lhenry at mozilla.com
> >>>>> lizhenry at gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
> > Liz Henry
> > lhenry at mozilla.com
> > lizhenry at gmail.com
> >
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-- 
Ronald Cotoni
Systems Engineer
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