[Noisebridge-discuss] It has come to my attention that...

Andrew Byrne andrew at pachakutech.com
Tue Jun 18 02:34:50 UTC 2013


Unfortunately, law enforcement does not handle these things with respect or
credulity, and many times, the person assaulted is reluctant to bring the
police into it, hence the value in radical response networks and hence my
dissatisfaction at its abuse and the seriousness with which I take this
situation. This would be much smoother--and for me personally, much
cleaner--with a mediator/judge and two licensed advocates, but we don't
have access to that infrastructure.
-dru
On Jun 17, 2013 3:17 PM, "Ronald Cotoni" <setient at gmail.com> wrote:

> Honestly, this matter is best dealt with with Law Enforcement.   I do not
> think noisebridge is adequately equipped to deal with sexual assault.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Gavin Knight <gnnrok at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is a tough situation. Just a reminder the list is public and
>> accessible via google, so probably a meeting is a good place for this.
>>
>> I'm sure someone could arrange a video chat or something for anyone
>> who is not near Noisebridge.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > A quick note, I need to go get on a plane. The Dante who was at the
>> meeting
>> > the other night and who was asked to leave (the tweaker dude) was a
>> > different person named Dante.
>> >
>> > - liz
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Since this is all out on the list, I feel the need to present my side;
>> it
>> >> is clear to me now what this is.
>> >>
>> >> For a few weeks, Lillian had asked of I could give her one of her
>> >> supplemental estrogen shots, and one night I was at NoiseBridge when
>> Lillian
>> >> asked me to give her her shot. I said sure, she climbed up, laid down
>> on the
>> >> table, and pulled down her jeans enough to expose her buttocks, I
>> readied
>> >> the injection and placed my left hand on the back of her upper thigh.
>> She
>> >> stiffened, and told me that she felt uncomfortable, so I stopped, moved
>> >> away, apologized for the discomfort and then left the room. There was
>> never
>> >> a "what the fuck are you doing?".
>> >>
>> >> It's pretty rich that /she/ is accusing me of cocaine use. It's not
>> out of
>> >> my experience, but as I have dopamine insensitivity--ADD--the stuff
>> doesn't
>> >> have the pleasure response for me that justifies the absurd prices;
>> that and
>> >> the killing South Americans bit.
>> >>
>> >> Unfortunately, the only other witness in the room was Dante I think
>> Dante
>> >> was expelled from the Tuesday meeting two weeks ago and is
>> unquestionably
>> >> her "other people"--Dante got angry when I sent him an email
>> invitation to a
>> >> 'digital feminine' salon b/c he doesn't see himself as feminine and
>> started
>> >> this whole process about three weeks after Lillian left; it was then
>> that
>> >> Lillian "unfriended" me on Fb. That only sounds trite until I add that
>> she
>> >> accepted my friend request after leaving SF for wherever she is now.
>> >>
>> >> I'd still like to drag up the Dante incident, as there were several
>> >> witnesses on my side and a documented willful misrepresentation to Liz
>> on
>> >> Dante's. I would like to ask Liz now to retain copies of her emails
>> >> regarding this for possible subpoena.
>> >>
>> >> A friend? No you saw me as a rube.
>> >> -dru
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 17, 2013 11:06 AM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Well maybe you should have thought about these things before you
>> pinned
>> >>> me down on a table and began unzipping my pants without any
>> permission at
>> >>> all, refusing to stop even after I froze in fear asking what the fuck
>> you
>> >>> were doing. I was shaken after that. I used to like you Drew, and it
>> took me
>> >>> so long to report anything because I was worried about hurting
>> someone I
>> >>> thought was a good person. You seemed to be high on cocaine or
>> something,
>> >>> which initially allowed me to excuse the behavior. It wasn't until
>> other
>> >>> people made me realize this wasn't just a one off incident that I
>> decided to
>> >>> report what had happened. I recall you making creepy sexual comments
>> about
>> >>> others way before this incident too, so looking back now I don't find
>> what
>> >>> happened surprising and I probably could have prevented being
>> violated.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Andrew Byrne <
>> andrew at pachakutech.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would also like to point out the assumption of my guilt throughout
>> >>>> this discourse; I was told I was considered a sexual predator by the
>> >>>> anarcho-fem community a week before being contacted officially, and
>> this
>> >>>> hateful trope has been driving me away from the space since. It will
>> >>>> doubtless screw with my social life for another few months and
>> affects me
>> >>>> professionally; I can't even get a response from Mozilla's bug
>> network now,
>> >>>> thanks to this. I know, hard to empathize with someone the mediator
>> is
>> >>>> calling out, but once this is cleared up, I'd like this experience
>> well
>> >>>> documented -dru
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Jun 16, 2013 9:29 PM, "Liz Henry" <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I would also like for this to be discussed again in a meeting. I
>> >>>>> brought this up at the meeting not last week but the week before.
>> But, I
>> >>>>> have not been in the greatest of health and have missed a lot of
>> meetings.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> It was also brought to my attention that Jesse Z. wants to come
>> back to
>> >>>>> Noisebridge.   I do not think this is a good idea.  Basically, I
>> don't want
>> >>>>> to be around people who have behaved in the ways that either Jesse
>> and Dru
>> >>>>> have behaved.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> There are so many good things about Noisebridge, and about its
>> >>>>> openness.  To keep that good for as many people as possible we do
>> need to
>> >>>>> have good boundaries.  And ask people who have shown great
>> disrespect for
>> >>>>> others by non consensual behavior to stay away and work out their
>> issues to
>> >>>>> learn better behavior in some other context, rather than being in
>> the middle
>> >>>>> of an space without much in the way of rules or safety.  Sexual
>> assault and
>> >>>>> other violent behavior destroys our ability to trust each other. I
>> want to
>> >>>>> be able to trust people at NB, and to be able to tell others they
>> are likely
>> >>>>> relatively safe there.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Liz
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Lillian Fleurs
>> >>>>> <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> A member of the community known as Andrew "Dru" Byrne has yet to be
>> >>>>>> kicked out of the community. Right before I moved he did some
>> EXTREMELY
>> >>>>>> inappropriate and non consensual things to me that extend far
>> beyond creepy.
>> >>>>>> I sent some emails to Tony "LeTigre", who then forwarded them to
>> Liz. I had
>> >>>>>> asked both of them to keep what had happened to me anonymous. I'm
>> coming out
>> >>>>>> of anonymity because it appears nothing has been done to get rid
>> of someone
>> >>>>>> who poses a high threat to other members of the community (both
>> male and
>> >>>>>> female, trans and cis).
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Unfortunately since I no longer live in San Francisco, I can not
>> show
>> >>>>>> up to a Noisebridge meeting but I would like this issue brought
>> up, because
>> >>>>>> others who still use the space have expressed to me that they
>> don't feel
>> >>>>>> safe around Andrew either.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I'm sorry for the drama, but I'm not the one who started it.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>> >>>>> Liz Henry
>> >>>>> lhenry at mozilla.com
>> >>>>> lizhenry at gmail.com
>> >>>>>
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>> > Liz Henry
>> > lhenry at mozilla.com
>> > lizhenry at gmail.com
>> >
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