[Noisebridge-discuss] door "security": culture, not policy.

[Naomi Most]

I am completely against the top door lock idea.  It doesn't even solve
the main problem, which is social accountability.




On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> here we go again...
>
> also i'll remind everyone that as tenants of 2169 mission it is our
> responsibility to not allow anyone into the building (past the main gate)
> who we are not allowing into the third floor.
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-February/028220.html
>
> [Noisebridge-discuss] Upstairs door latch mechanism?
> Jake jake at spaz.org
> Fri Feb 10 02:34:39 PST 2012
>
> I guess a bunch of people have been talking about latching or locking the
> upstairs door.
>
> Are you people crazy?  Don't you realize that by the time someone is
> upstairs they feel as though they are practically inside the space
> already?
>
> If you can't turn someone away at the sidewalk, and they get to the top of
> the stairs, it is only going to make them angry if you refuse to let them
> in.  It is going to create more conflict, not less, especially if you use
> the smarmy little porthole to shield yourself while refusing to let
> someone in while someone else comes up behind you and second-guesses your
> decision in front of the person.
>
> have you ever been at a teller window (post office for example) where the
> clerk, who is telling you NO you can't have what you came here for, is
> isolated behind a 2" thick piece of lexan with a tiny little breathing
> hole where you're supposed to talk and listen through?  Do you remember
> feeling hostility toward that person and wondering what you would do if
> you could reach through the little hole and strangle them?
>
> well that's whats going to happen to you if you try to keep people out at
> the top of the stairs, because eventually someone is going to open the
> door and that person is going to come in anyway, and be pissed at you.
>
> We need to focus on bouncing people at the sidewalk door.  If you are
> having trouble understanding this concept, please ask some people whose
> opinion you trust before continuing with this idea of locking the upstairs
> door.
>
> sincerely,
> -jake
>
> Casey Callendrello wrote (Thu Feb 9 22:58:35 PST 2012):
>
> Hi there.
> The upstairs door is already keyed with the A-key. However, the latch
> mechanism has been removed. Does anyone know where it is?
>
> If not, I'll try to order a new one. The crash bar is a "Von Duprin 44".
> However, these parts are surprisingly expensive and hard to track down.
>
> --c.
>
>
>
> Casey Callendrello wrote:
> Adding a lock to the upstairs door is quite doable. I've looked in to
> this before. There are a few things that need to be done:
>
> 1) Some boring locksmithy stuff of getting some locks re-keyed
> 2) Re-building the elevator lobby door. Not too hard
> 3) Electronic strikes for both doors
> 4) Pin pads for both doors
>
> 1 and 2 are easy. 3 and 4 are also pretty simple, but will take some
> proper effort.
>
> --Casey
>
>
> On 3/21/13 11:34 AM, Martin Bogomolni wrote:
>>
>> In changing the problem I'm aligned with Rachel.  Move the lock from
>> -downstairs- to the upstairs door.   Also move the pin pad to the
>> upstairs door.
>>
>> For our mobility-impaired members, and people who come on bikes, do
>> the same with an alternate wide door at the top landing where the
>> elevator is.   (Wall up the side door, make a sure door in front of
>> the elevator.   It's relatively easy to frame it up and put in a
>> prehung door.   Costs are pretty controlled for this.
>>
>> -M
>
>
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