[Noisebridge-discuss] California Lawmaker Wants 3-D Printers To Be Regulated

[Eric W. Rasmussen]

All I asked for was that the rhetoric be toned down. What he described 
was an impact/dragging death. It's a bit extreme. If it was said 
verbally, I might have let it go. But it was said in an archived and 
monitored discussion.

I also notice that he hasn't responded. Maybe he agrees. Everyone is 
allowed to declare their displeasure for any politician. However, 
wishing a gruesome death is, in my opinion, barbaric.

There are limits to speech. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from 
consequences.

As far as the registration of 3D printers, it's simply overblown 
rhetoric coming from another loud mouthed politician. It's difficult to 
take him seriously due to the impossibility.

Maybe they need to tone it down, too.

No one is afraid of 3D printed zip guns. It's POC at best.


On 12.05.2013 12:41, LinkReincarnate wrote:
>
> That is a straw man.  None of what he said was homophobic or racist.  
> Even if it was I would defend his right to say it.  In america the 
> only limit we have on free speech is when you use it to directly cause 
> bodily harm to others (yelling fire in a crowded theater)  Everything 
> else must be protected (including speech you find abhorrent like 
> racism, homophobia, or sexism) lest other speech be eroded away.  The 
> proper response is not to try to censor people who don't agree with 
> you, it is to use your own free speech to counter theirs.  Free speech 
> is it's own check and balance.  That only works if everyone has it 
> regardless of their opinions or the popularity of their opinions. Any  
> outside interference with that throws the balance off and allows one 
> side of an idea to prevail in said imbalance.  In the case of women's 
> rights, racism, and homophobia outlawing that type of speech may seem 
> like a good idea but you'd be throwing the baby out with the bathwater 
> in doing so. You would be getting an incremental step in rights at the 
> cost of the future of growth of those same rights. The meaning of any 
> particular piece of speech (even entirely in context) is a highly 
> subjective matter.  I believe that our law system tries to be as 
> objective as possible (or at least it was originally designed with 
> that intent)  Where do you draw the line for what constitutes this 
> type of speech? Who defines it? What will be the penalty? What do you 
> do to repeat offenders? Who pays for this program? What about weird 
> edge cases?  Finally how will it be abused/gamed/corrupted? That's not 
> even getting into the problems that plague the justice system right 
> now. Or the problems the plague human interaction and understanding in 
> general. We live in the real world.  The truth is that violence is 
> sometimes necessary.  We hope to avoid it as much as possible but 
> pretending that we can all bury our heads in the sand RE:violence is 
> just naivety.  Outlawing violent speech is not going to stop 
> violence.  It could mean one has less warning though.
>
> On May 12, 2013 12:05 PM, "Johny Radio" <johnyradio at gmail.com 
> <mailto:johnyradio at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On/Sun May 12 18:41:12 UTC 2013/,*LinkReincarnate*  linkreincarnate at gmail.com  <mailto:noisebridge-discuss%40lists.noisebridge.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BNoisebridge-discuss%5D%20California%20Lawmaker%20Wants%203-D%20Printers%20To%0A%20Be%20Regulated&In-Reply-To=%3CCACHQ1TFf1XSATcj%2BZ9Zjqqnu1x_AgNLUyOPx8rB5wTCrVOVPiA%40mail.gmail.com%3E>  <mailto:noisebridge-discuss%40lists.noisebridge.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BNoisebridge-discuss%5D%20California%20Lawmaker%20Wants%203-D%20Printers%20To%0A%20Be%20Regulated&In-Reply-To=%3CCACHQ1TFf1XSATcj%2BZ9Zjqqnu1x_AgNLUyOPx8rB5wTCrVOVPiA%40mail.gmail.com%3E>  wrote:
>
>         If you believe in free speech at all you have to protect even
>         speech that offends you. That includes violent speech.
>
>     Link, i agree with you, in a general sense. However, would the NB
>     community tolerate words of violence toward women, homosexuals,
>     transgender people, the poor, or people of color? If not, then the
>     community agrees that certain kinds of speech are not ok.
>
>     -- 
>
>     Johny Radio
>     Stick It In Your Ear!
>
>
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