[Noisebridge-discuss] oogles at noisebridge

[Liz Henry]

I haven't been around in the past month because of health issues, but am
feeling a bit worried as Jake says about the atmosphere at NB.  I want to
work to keep the space for people to work on stuff, for learning and making
and teaching, not as a place to be off the streets and hang out.

>From what I have heard, telling someone you are about to take their photo
works fairly well, if you have to ask someone to leave.  And from when I
have tried it, with the more anti-social of  people, it is very time
consuming.    I'm hoping that we can go through a real spring cleaning,
change how we have door access set up, and make the space more safe for
hackers, hacking, and projects.





On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:

> No i didnt get any pictures, because when i thought of it (after they were
> dragging their feet despite me and mitch BOTH being really heavy about them
> leaving) I said "i am going to take a picture now for our records and they
> ACTUALLY left immediately then, so i didn't get one.
>
> But i did get a picture of Vince, who was an extreme problem a couple of
> times and yet barely got mentioned on the discuss list as "vince was asked
> to leave".  I was disappointed that none of the ten people arguing him out
> the door for 20 minutes was willing to write anything up about it.
>
> I would like to think that scud and chrissy got the message and won't come
> back, although i'm sure the cashbox is very tempting to a lot of people.
> Certainly if i see them in the space again I will tell them that they need
> to leave "immediately or i'm calling the police" and I will tell them that
> if they come in again, i "will call the police before even warning you" so
> that should be enough.
>
> I agree that it's tiring the way noisebridge has decayed socially.  I
> blame a lack of willingness on the part of most noisebridge "leadership" to
> take the problem seriously, in favor of an overappreciation of chaos.
>
> I attribute this divide to lack of understanding by software people (those
> who mostly use their laptops and rarely use other tools) of the very real
> and crippling effects of entropy of the space by non-hackers.  Software
> people can clear off a space on a table and open their laptop and get to
> work.  The chaos around them is ambiance, and they don't know how many of
> the tools are missing or destroyed, or how many of the soldering irons are
> actually usable.  They don't see how many of the multimeters actually work,
> and they don't understand that people can't leave projects on their member
> shelves overnight because they get prowled regularly for crack money.
>
> As for Scud and Chrissy i think they were doing what was good for them -
> getting as much as they could from noisebridge before they were cut off. I
> guess I would do the same thing if i were them.  Their choice.
>
> The complaint I have is with people who are in a position to improve
> noisebridge, for example by embracing a new era of access control, but are
> not willing to do it because they don't see a problem.
>
> -jake
>
> On Wed, 29 May 2013, (      ) wrote:
>
>  Hey, did you get any pictures of Scud and Chrissy when they were asked to
>> leave, so we can post them on the 86 page?
>>
>> I like the idea of NB so much and to have something in the city, but the
>> constant stream of Oogles / "Occupy" there is really wearing on me!
>>
>>
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