[Noisebridge-discuss] anti-anonymity proposals

rachel lyra hospodar rachelyra at gmail.com
Fri Nov 15 23:27:15 UTC 2013

Jesus fucking Christ.

Noisebridge is dead.

Jim, you ... I don't even. There are so many problems with what you have
written that I honestly believe you need to hire someone to help you grok
what the fuck. Because the amount of education you need about what the
experiences of others are like, about what a 'community' might BE or BE FOR
or WHO might want to use it FOR WHAT or HOW....   and the idea that you
could tell someone else not to talk to the community so THEY don't feel
disempowered is deeply structurally flawed.... that I just don't even.

I came to Noisebridge and found a huge community of technically engaged
wonderful hacker friends who bent over backwards to teach me how to work in
hardware, with zero social expectations or assholery.

That place is gone.

Perhaps 2169 will continue but a community where the old hands present
think assault should be dealt with in isolation, and the old hands absent
feel entitled to weigh in against reform measures aimed at REDUCING
INCIDENCES OF ASSAULT without constructive input, is no place I want to

On Nov 15, 2013 2:29 PM, "Snail" <snailtsunami at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:13 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>>     As to females being harassed, for cases of
>> crude coppings of feels, I dislike taht female
>> turning to the community for support; I would
>> eagerly defend any female who hauled off and
>> slugged whoever copped a feel or to go get some
>> friends and return to verbally educate the
>> offender: it's dis-empowering to perceive one's
>> self as a victim and turn to a community for
>> support for what is an individual incident.
> Whoa - whoa whoa whoa - whoaaaaa...
> Time out - did you really just say that women who get groped ("cases of
> crude coppings of feels") should not ask the community to help them out?
> And you believe that it's disempowering somehow??
> And that people should just punch people or deal with it on their own? Is
> this really what you're suggesting?
>>     There will be no way fully to suppress such
>> actions taken by horney and inconsiderate
>> personages, policies and rules and committee
>> resolutions aside (far, far aside, I hope).
> I can't even. Here's a good way to suppress the actions of "horney" or
> inconsiderate people: never let them back in Noisebridge because that's a
> terrible excuse for their actions!
>>     Please ask yourself if you are prone to
>> express yourself when you believe you have the
>> "high ground" and can properly scold others. I.e.,
>> are you living too much with anger?
> With the rage of a thousand burning stars.
> TO EVERYONE ELSE READING THIS - There are lots of people in the community
> at large who will help you out if someone is creeping on you or worse,
> whether you are "taht females" or just a plain ol' human being! Don't let
> what Jim says dissuade you from reporting harassment or assault or pointing
> out creepers! This is not an opinion everyone here carries. Please don't
> ever feel like it's your fault or that you're required to punch people -
> it's a valid and rational response to remove yourself from a dangerous
> situation and try to sort things out later from a safe place rather than
> confront your harasser/assaulter. If someone is creeping on you, they are
> pretty much always creeping on OTHERS, too, so you are not alone or stuck
> in some isolated personal incident! And as a community we can try to make
> Noisebridge a safer place for everyone.
> Also, women really appreciate being called women and not "females". Do you
> go around saying "the males" when referring to men? Probably not.
> Angry forever,
> Snail
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