[Noisebridge-discuss] Girls Hack

[Brink Of Complexity]

What I have done for feminism is to treat you with the respect you deserve
and argue at the highest intellectual level available to the issue rather
than stooping to logical fallacies in an attempt to raise a political
cabal.

Volunteering to teach kids assumes power whether that's the purpose of it
or not.

And I maintain, that using the word "when" rather than "where" or "with
whom" or other more appropriate qualifiers completely disregards the lived
experiences women of your own generation.

No matter what your feminism resume says, this is still the issue at hand.
Though, I'd expect that with such a strong background in it, you'd
recognize this yourself.

If you're interested in promoting feminism to kids, could you please at
least NOT INFER THAT CURRENT WOMEN IN TECH ARE INFERIOR TO MEN BY CITING A
TIME-BASED LACK OF OPPORTUNITY?

I don't need to make a single assumption besides age to make this argument.
Because I personally experienced lots of those opportunities, I CAN VERIFY
THEY EXISTED. AND I THEREFORE EXIST AS SUCH, AND MARGINALIZING REAL WOMEN'S
LIVED EXPERIENCE ISN'T A FEMINIST THING TO DO. (Or a polite thing to do to
anyone for that matter.)

And it isn't helpful to the future of the world to misinform kids,
especially young women on the cusp of diving into this quagmire with the
rest of us.

QED.

-brink

On Oct 30, 2013 11:07 AM, "Elizabeth Hubbard" <annie.nutt at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Brink of Complexity.  I have no interest in power when it comes to 13
year old girls or influence (unless it's good influence).  However, since
you brought feminism into it and the challenges of our predecessors, I
challenge you to be in a challenge with me over who is the more active
feminist, me or you.  Challenge starts now.  Yesterday, I took up for
another feminist who was getting bullied and offered to insure the equality
of 13 year old girls.  I offered to efficiently kick ass for feminism.  I
have kicked ass for the cause of feminism and taking up for people in
general, including myself, I was bullied by sexists heinously.  I've risen
from the kind of situation you could write theses on (arguing feminist
stuff with ignorant people the entire time) and still not have everything
written down (miserable the whole time because it's extremely negative and
telling of human nature), to being a comedy screenwriter who worked for a
New York Times bestselling author (a lady) who gave m
>  e 5 stars out of 5 stars.  I've survived the sort of violence that
normally kills people in books, for feminism, almost dying and not
complaining much at all, considering it took two days to get to the
hospital.  Too ill to complain.  Given antibiotics.  A decade and a half
passed with me being damn cheerful considering.  I taught my 7 year old son
to be a feminist through example rather than indoctrination, and lived my
entire life for my family and for myself, and for feminism.  Lifted a grill
that took two men to lift after one of them told me to let a man do it.
 Taught myself how to code on the internet, and to speak, read, and write
in several languages (human languages, half of them non-Indo-European),
which means I can argue with chauvinists in more languages now, like
Yoruba.  Taught a 29 year old man how to read and use a computer, which
also furthers the cause of feminism through the creation of another
feminist.  So I've done a lot for feminism so far.  If you want to ta
>  lk about who's diminishing who's challenges and achievements, you'd be a
fool to diminish mine.  Also, as a polite person, I never criticize
volunteers or fast-food workers, but you're welcome to do that if you want
to; best time is one minute before they give you your food.  I can make an
exception for you when it comes to criticizing volunteers, since you're
asking so nicely that I do it.  Also, after your comment about diminishing
the social challenges of our predecessors, I got the PTSD shakes for twenty
minutes.  Really, I survived torture and human trafficking, spouting
feminist ideals since birth, to be told I'm somehow diminishing the
challenges of other women?  I'm sure your challenges were so hard in
comparison to mine, seriously, I mean that.
>
> Your turn.  What have you done for feminism?
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