[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge is now Members and their Guests only, 24/7 please read and learn about it

Jake jake at spaz.org
Thu Oct 31 20:22:34 UTC 2013

invoking the republicans is technically godwins law territory.

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013, jim wrote:

>    To a large extent my complaint is about the
> anger and hostility that radiates from some of
> the email.
>    To some extent it seems to me that the
> excitement some feel about others' activities
> is not hacking but getting sucked into the
> politics of community.
>    Sure there are frustrating aspects of a
> truly open community, but the approach of
> dealing with problems by policy and fiat is
> clearly a poor approach, as exemplified by
> the Republican party's dictatorial actions.
> On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 22:17 -0700, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
>> In fairness about criticizing this new policy... another policy was in
>> play for only a few weeks and it was already overruled without giving
>> it the three months allotted to see if it improved the space.
>> Yes, people were complaining about it, but people are also complaining
>> about this, aren't they?
>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>         The front page of the website is a wiki.  You can edit it if
>>         you think it needs to change.  When did you stop being a
>>         hacker?
>>         This policy hasn't been in effect a full day yet, and yet
>>         you're full of criticism for it with ZERO constructive
>>         suggestions.  [insert joke about constructing bunk beds here]
>>         as for killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, apparently
>>         more people believe that to be true about people who refused
>>         for so long to do anything about the downhill slide that
>>         noisebridge has been in for a long time.  Geese can die from
>>         lack of care you know.
>>         As for being surprised that members passed this, another way
>>         to word it is that after weeks of discussion about this issue,
>>         all of the members who decided to show up agreed that it
>>         needed to be done.
>>         problems are not solved by blocking or criticising efforts.
>>          Problems are solved by making changes until things work
>>         better.
>>         As for noisebridge's public image, I empower you to publicize
>>         the subtle concept that the general public is welcome to stop
>>         by and that they will almost certainly be invited in and given
>>         a proper introduction and tour, and that we are eager to see
>>         them.
>>         While you're at it please tell them that we are working hard
>>         to replace our current perception by the public as a place you
>>         would never WANT to go with one where you WILL want to go and
>>         hack.  And if you refuse to recognize the reality that the
>>         golden eggs don't WANT to go to noisebridge because of its
>>         radical inclusivity, you're ignoring a lot of people's
>>         opinions.
>>         -jake
>>         On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Leif Ryge wrote:
>>                 On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:41:14AM -0700, Jake wrote:
>>                         in every practical way nothing has changed at
>>                         all.
>>                         [...]
>>                         Noisebridge continues to be open to the public
>>                         24/7 just as it always was.
>>                 Do you actually believe those two statements? I almost
>>                 expect you to say "not
>>                 wittingly" next!
>>                 The front page of the website now says "Noisebridge is
>>                 open 24/7 to Members,
>>                 Associate Members and guests thereof".
>>                 It seems pretty obvious that people who don't know
>>                 anyone there would, upon
>>                 reading that, get the impression that they can't just
>>                 drop in. I think most
>>                 people (by a large margin) who have done awesome stuff
>>                 at Noisebridge didn't
>>                 know anyone physically present the first times they
>>                 visited the space. So, I
>>                 think this policy will have a significant negative
>>                 impact.
>>                 As I've said before, I think you're killing the goose
>>                 that lays golden eggs.
>>                 I am especially disappointed that this extremely
>>                 drastic change was adopted at a meeting with only four
>>                 members present. I hope the membership of Noisebridge
>>                 will reconsider this.
>>                 ~leif
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