[Noisebridge-discuss] Fwd: Why I sent a lot of emails to the list tonight.

[Kevin Schiesser]

On 09/12/2013 07:31 AM, spinach williams wrote:
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> > the reason why i sent a lot of emails to the list tonight is because 
> I wanted to keep each update and subject separate. I am not spamming 
> the list nor wish to not be considered that I am.
> >
> > In addition I don't like the list and wish we would "end of line" it 
> and start over it is now for some the only thing that updates and 
> represents Noisebridge for some people. It is a system that is so 
> toxic in drama that a lot of positivity of NB gets drowned out.
>
> sounds like an act of willful sabotage, purposely using a system you 
> don't like in a way which, while technically not incorrect, slows 
> things down for the express purpose of proving your point. do what you 
> do, but own it next time. the entire series of messages could've been 
> summed together in a textfile and sent out as a newsletter -- single 
> message, folks still pick and choose what to respond to, the mass of 
> it encourages anyone responding to take their time doing so and really 
> think it out. you know, consideration in return for consideration. of 
> course a mailing list is unsuitable for up to the minute surveillance, 
> rob, that's not the culture a list embodies.
>
> > The funny thing is that I spoke with a hacker from another space, 
> and they said they were having the same problems with there list, so I 
> kind of smirk-thinking that this may be a systemic problem across many 
> hacker spaces and their drama filled lists.
>
> this is going to happen. we're a bunch of different people using a 
> space that's been open for ages. cultures shift and methods of using 
> the space that worked before don't anymore. gotta listen to each other 
> and change some shit around. it'd be a lot quieter if we listened to 
> folks different from us in good faith. though dramatic, it isn't drama 
> -- here's living, breathing people who deserve respect, even in the 
> event we cannot share space together. the reason you heard about it 
> happening in another space is that space is making the same mistakes 
> in preserving a system long after it's gone toxic.
>
What traditional systems have gone toxic at Noisebridge? The toxic 
tradition of strict adherence to tradition? The expectation that it will 
always be the same as we left it? I see a good number of people making a 
good faith effort to communicate and in Rob's case, to upgrade 
Noisebridge infrastrcture. It's challenging, hilarious and inspiring to 
be there.

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"De sus labios al oído de los dios."
>
> at least then you know it isn't just us repeatedly failing those we 
> sell this dream to.
>
> that said, good job reporting on a latenight, maybe apply that 
> constant push energy into rolling out a tracker (ugh, doesn't even 
> hide its surveillence) system rather than insisting to us we need one. 
> do-ocracy, right?
>
> -spinach
>
>
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