[Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space

Fri Apr 4 20:52:44 UTC 2014

You called it an easy question then proceeded to get the answer completely wrong.

Love it.

Failure is great guys.  Everyone give it a go.  You might learn something.

-openfly

On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 12:36:22PM -0700, Dean Mao wrote:
> This is an easy question.  Everyone can be considered a hacker, however a
> hacker cannot do anything they want at Noisebridge.  Living at Noisebridge
> is one of these things.
> 
> It will be easier to define the purpose of Noisebridge when its members are
> not performing the unwanted actions.  When people are not living at
> Noisebridge, the only reason for them to visit the space will be to
> actually perform "hacking".
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:13 PM, openfly <openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd
> > wrote:
> 
> > Naomi is asking the big question.  The MOST important question facing
> > noisebridge today.
> >
> > "Who is a hacker?"
> >
> > The problem noisebridge has is that there are folks taking advantage of
> > it.  There is a
> > belief that the originally vague mission of noisebridge is no longer up to
> > the task of
> > furthering the goal of being a 'hackerspace'.  And there are folks who
> > want to perform
> > major policy updates to the mission and general structure of noisebridge.
> >  At the heart
> > of all of this is this one simple question.
> >
> > "Who is a hacker?"
> >
> > And to answer this simple question, at least as far as it relates to
> > noisebridge, is to
> > answer this other question...
> >
> > "What is the mission of noisebridge, today?"
> >
> > Answer those two questions now.  Or you are all fucked.  And noisebridge
> > will implode.
> >
> > And these aren't simple questions.  The reality is, if you answer them
> > right, you are
> > going to lose a lot of members and piss a lot of people off.  Because what
> > you'll be
> > doing in effect by limiting the vague scope of what noisebridge is, is
> > telling people
> > that they do not belong.  That they are no longer a part of the
> > noisebridge community.
> > And that's going to hurt.
> >
> > So all this bickering about kitchens, about ban rules, about whether or
> > not the space
> > should stay open late.   All of this is dancing around the very core issue.
> >
> > Many feel the mission of noisebridge has failed.  They want to redefine
> > it.  In doing
> > this, they will limit the future scope of the mission, and the community.
> >  And that
> > means... not just the folks who are leeches on the community, but
> > contributors, and
> > die hard believers will find themselves no longer welcome.  And they will
> > fight
> > bitterly to avoid that.
> >
> >
> > So, as Naomi asked.  "Who is a hacker?"
> >
> > What the fuck is the purpose of Noisebridge today.  And what do you want
> > it to be
> > tomorrow.  Hold no punches.  It's time to decide what the fuck you people
> > are about.
> >
> > -openfly
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 04:04:30PM -0700, Naomi Most wrote:
> > > Mmkay.
> > >
> > > >Food Hacking, or just feeding the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT CONDUCT.
> > >
> > > Who is a hacker?
> > >
> > > > Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS SQUAT at NB???
> > >
> > > Who is "we" and do you have any suggestions for how to not "let"
> > > people squat at NB?
> > >
> > > --Naomi
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Oren Beck <orenbeck at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >  New approaches=MINE... to "Kitchen Misuse" and the Squatter Gaming.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Simply craft a layered approach of power/water/fridge securing methods
> > and
> > > > thence empower the Excellent Uses to be Unsullied by Unexcellent
> > Misusers.
> > > > Oh- do contemplate the additional layer of a PERMANENT BAN NEEDING
> > SUPER
> > > > MAJORITY TO LIFT for anyone tampering/disabling the lock outs... Means-
> > > > yeah- you break some rules and it's _game over- no replay. A place
> > upon the
> > > > wall of Permaban for THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE.  Because- a misused
> > kitchen
> > > > can burn the space down/ get the lease lifted and so on. Same with
> > > > Squatters.
> > > >
> > > > Let Grandpa shout softly a few unpopular truths and NB might learn
> > from my
> > > > Life Experience Points...
> > > >
> > > > The fix vectors I am suggesting neatly could grant balance to the
> > Excellent
> > > > folks whilst providing an instrumental path to banishing the
> > Un-excellent.
> > > > Giving up the utility of a kitchen is surrender!
> > > >
> > > > Will we surrender one more facet of HACKING?  Food Hacking, or just
> > feeding
> > > > the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT CONDUCT.  I may need to repeat this a
> > bit-
> > > > NB either is a HACKERSPACE or a SHELTER- we cannot serve both paths..
> > If
> > > > consensus wishes to murder NB on that path So be it but not by my
> > words or
> > > > deeds.
> > > >
> > > >   Who of us   is sanely  opposed to telling squatters that MIS-use is
> > > > prohibited un-excellent conduct=a ticket OUT of NB is surrender to
> > THEM?
> > > > Really- READ the star bracketed text  several times  FOR A SANITY
> > CHECK...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ***The folks who sweat blood and tears to keep NB alive deserve to use
> > a
> > > > Kitchen if they want to.  This ain't a class caste struggle game- it's
> > about
> > > > keeping this space alive and welcoming to honorable HACKERS. Including
> > the
> > > > Honorable HACKERS having a REAL KITCHEN instead of fracking
> > surrendering to
> > > > ANYONE. ***
> > > >
> > > >  I've empathy for the less fortunate and am damned mindful that many
> > of us
> > > > are one disaster away from homeless. I ain't basing my rants on any
> > desire
> > > > but THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE.. The Needy can be better literally
> > served if
> > > > we uplift Homo Rarely Sapient to where hunger is obsolete.
> > > >
> > > >  I live in Kansas City for many reasons including to NOT be a Squatter
> > in an
> > > > unafforadable city,. Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS
> > SQUAT at
> > > > NB??? Fer Darwin's sake folks- Either NB is PRIMARILY A HACKERSPACE
> > quite
> > > > irrespective of Kitchen or  not... and if NB"s held as NOT for HACKING
> > FIRST
> > > > do consider that  we re-charter as "Something Else"  for reals.
> > > >
> > > >  ARE we going to really overtly say that Squatters get to displace
> > > > HACKERS???
> > > >
> > > >  DO NOT__***EVER*** empower perps to make us diminish OUR
> > capabilities!! .
> > > > The kitchen should STAY for use by the Excellent Hackers.- the
> > Misusers can
> > > > Go to Nifleheim/Gehenna/dev null etc and my empathy- or situational
> > lack of
> > > > same- is based on their actions.
> > > >
> > > >  Please- If you wish to be the keeper of the less fortunate's larder-
> > do so
> > > > on YOUR money etc.
> > > >
> > > > Teal Deer: They win at gaming us to become less everytime we remove
> > > > "something"  in  reactive mode- to their crap.
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Naomi Theora Most
> > > naomi at nthmost.com
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