[Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space

Dean Mao dean.mao at hackerdojo.com
Fri Apr 4 21:38:29 UTC 2014


That's your opinion that my definition is wrong.  I'm just stating the
obvious facts.




On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:52 PM, openfly
<openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd>wrote:

> You called it an easy question then proceeded to get the answer completely
> wrong.
>
> Love it.
>
> Failure is great guys.  Everyone give it a go.  You might learn something.
>
> -openfly
>
> On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 12:36:22PM -0700, Dean Mao wrote:
> > This is an easy question.  Everyone can be considered a hacker, however a
> > hacker cannot do anything they want at Noisebridge.  Living at
> Noisebridge
> > is one of these things.
> >
> > It will be easier to define the purpose of Noisebridge when its members
> are
> > not performing the unwanted actions.  When people are not living at
> > Noisebridge, the only reason for them to visit the space will be to
> > actually perform "hacking".
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:13 PM, openfly
> <openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Naomi is asking the big question.  The MOST important question facing
> > > noisebridge today.
> > >
> > > "Who is a hacker?"
> > >
> > > The problem noisebridge has is that there are folks taking advantage of
> > > it.  There is a
> > > belief that the originally vague mission of noisebridge is no longer
> up to
> > > the task of
> > > furthering the goal of being a 'hackerspace'.  And there are folks who
> > > want to perform
> > > major policy updates to the mission and general structure of
> noisebridge.
> > >  At the heart
> > > of all of this is this one simple question.
> > >
> > > "Who is a hacker?"
> > >
> > > And to answer this simple question, at least as far as it relates to
> > > noisebridge, is to
> > > answer this other question...
> > >
> > > "What is the mission of noisebridge, today?"
> > >
> > > Answer those two questions now.  Or you are all fucked.  And
> noisebridge
> > > will implode.
> > >
> > > And these aren't simple questions.  The reality is, if you answer them
> > > right, you are
> > > going to lose a lot of members and piss a lot of people off.  Because
> what
> > > you'll be
> > > doing in effect by limiting the vague scope of what noisebridge is, is
> > > telling people
> > > that they do not belong.  That they are no longer a part of the
> > > noisebridge community.
> > > And that's going to hurt.
> > >
> > > So all this bickering about kitchens, about ban rules, about whether or
> > > not the space
> > > should stay open late.   All of this is dancing around the very core
> issue.
> > >
> > > Many feel the mission of noisebridge has failed.  They want to redefine
> > > it.  In doing
> > > this, they will limit the future scope of the mission, and the
> community.
> > >  And that
> > > means... not just the folks who are leeches on the community, but
> > > contributors, and
> > > die hard believers will find themselves no longer welcome.  And they
> will
> > > fight
> > > bitterly to avoid that.
> > >
> > >
> > > So, as Naomi asked.  "Who is a hacker?"
> > >
> > > What the fuck is the purpose of Noisebridge today.  And what do you
> want
> > > it to be
> > > tomorrow.  Hold no punches.  It's time to decide what the fuck you
> people
> > > are about.
> > >
> > > -openfly
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 04:04:30PM -0700, Naomi Most wrote:
> > > > Mmkay.
> > > >
> > > > >Food Hacking, or just feeding the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT
> CONDUCT.
> > > >
> > > > Who is a hacker?
> > > >
> > > > > Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS SQUAT at NB???
> > > >
> > > > Who is "we" and do you have any suggestions for how to not "let"
> > > > people squat at NB?
> > > >
> > > > --Naomi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Oren Beck <orenbeck at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >  New approaches=MINE... to "Kitchen Misuse" and the Squatter
> Gaming.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Simply craft a layered approach of power/water/fridge securing
> methods
> > > and
> > > > > thence empower the Excellent Uses to be Unsullied by Unexcellent
> > > Misusers.
> > > > > Oh- do contemplate the additional layer of a PERMANENT BAN NEEDING
> > > SUPER
> > > > > MAJORITY TO LIFT for anyone tampering/disabling the lock outs...
> Means-
> > > > > yeah- you break some rules and it's _game over- no replay. A place
> > > upon the
> > > > > wall of Permaban for THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE.  Because- a misused
> > > kitchen
> > > > > can burn the space down/ get the lease lifted and so on. Same with
> > > > > Squatters.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let Grandpa shout softly a few unpopular truths and NB might learn
> > > from my
> > > > > Life Experience Points...
> > > > >
> > > > > The fix vectors I am suggesting neatly could grant balance to the
> > > Excellent
> > > > > folks whilst providing an instrumental path to banishing the
> > > Un-excellent.
> > > > > Giving up the utility of a kitchen is surrender!
> > > > >
> > > > > Will we surrender one more facet of HACKING?  Food Hacking, or just
> > > feeding
> > > > > the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT CONDUCT.  I may need to repeat
> this a
> > > bit-
> > > > > NB either is a HACKERSPACE or a SHELTER- we cannot serve both
> paths..
> > > If
> > > > > consensus wishes to murder NB on that path So be it but not by my
> > > words or
> > > > > deeds.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Who of us   is sanely  opposed to telling squatters that MIS-use
> is
> > > > > prohibited un-excellent conduct=a ticket OUT of NB is surrender to
> > > THEM?
> > > > > Really- READ the star bracketed text  several times  FOR A SANITY
> > > CHECK...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ***The folks who sweat blood and tears to keep NB alive deserve to
> use
> > > a
> > > > > Kitchen if they want to.  This ain't a class caste struggle game-
> it's
> > > about
> > > > > keeping this space alive and welcoming to honorable HACKERS.
> Including
> > > the
> > > > > Honorable HACKERS having a REAL KITCHEN instead of fracking
> > > surrendering to
> > > > > ANYONE. ***
> > > > >
> > > > >  I've empathy for the less fortunate and am damned mindful that
> many
> > > of us
> > > > > are one disaster away from homeless. I ain't basing my rants on any
> > > desire
> > > > > but THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE.. The Needy can be better literally
> > > served if
> > > > > we uplift Homo Rarely Sapient to where hunger is obsolete.
> > > > >
> > > > >  I live in Kansas City for many reasons including to NOT be a
> Squatter
> > > in an
> > > > > unafforadable city,. Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS
> > > SQUAT at
> > > > > NB??? Fer Darwin's sake folks- Either NB is PRIMARILY A HACKERSPACE
> > > quite
> > > > > irrespective of Kitchen or  not... and if NB"s held as NOT for
> HACKING
> > > FIRST
> > > > > do consider that  we re-charter as "Something Else"  for reals.
> > > > >
> > > > >  ARE we going to really overtly say that Squatters get to displace
> > > > > HACKERS???
> > > > >
> > > > >  DO NOT__***EVER*** empower perps to make us diminish OUR
> > > capabilities!! .
> > > > > The kitchen should STAY for use by the Excellent Hackers.- the
> > > Misusers can
> > > > > Go to Nifleheim/Gehenna/dev null etc and my empathy- or situational
> > > lack of
> > > > > same- is based on their actions.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Please- If you wish to be the keeper of the less fortunate's
> larder-
> > > do so
> > > > > on YOUR money etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Teal Deer: They win at gaming us to become less everytime we remove
> > > > > "something"  in  reactive mode- to their crap.
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Naomi Theora Most
> > > > naomi at nthmost.com
> > > > +1-415-728-7490
> > > >
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> > > >
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