[Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space

Sat Apr 5 04:28:06 UTC 2014

The Noisebridge drinking game: every time someone requests the definition
of "hacker" or "hacking", take a shot.

It's also a convenient way to derail threads.
On Apr 4, 2014 2:38 PM, "Dean Mao" <dean.mao at hackerdojo.com> wrote:

> That's your opinion that my definition is wrong.  I'm just stating the
> obvious facts.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:52 PM, openfly <
> openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd> wrote:
>
>> You called it an easy question then proceeded to get the answer
>> completely wrong.
>>
>> Love it.
>>
>> Failure is great guys.  Everyone give it a go.  You might learn something.
>>
>> -openfly
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 12:36:22PM -0700, Dean Mao wrote:
>> > This is an easy question.  Everyone can be considered a hacker, however
>> a
>> > hacker cannot do anything they want at Noisebridge.  Living at
>> Noisebridge
>> > is one of these things.
>> >
>> > It will be easier to define the purpose of Noisebridge when its members
>> are
>> > not performing the unwanted actions.  When people are not living at
>> > Noisebridge, the only reason for them to visit the space will be to
>> > actually perform "hacking".
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:13 PM, openfly
>> <openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Naomi is asking the big question.  The MOST important question facing
>> > > noisebridge today.
>> > >
>> > > "Who is a hacker?"
>> > >
>> > > The problem noisebridge has is that there are folks taking advantage
>> of
>> > > it.  There is a
>> > > belief that the originally vague mission of noisebridge is no longer
>> up to
>> > > the task of
>> > > furthering the goal of being a 'hackerspace'.  And there are folks who
>> > > want to perform
>> > > major policy updates to the mission and general structure of
>> noisebridge.
>> > >  At the heart
>> > > of all of this is this one simple question.
>> > >
>> > > "Who is a hacker?"
>> > >
>> > > And to answer this simple question, at least as far as it relates to
>> > > noisebridge, is to
>> > > answer this other question...
>> > >
>> > > "What is the mission of noisebridge, today?"
>> > >
>> > > Answer those two questions now.  Or you are all fucked.  And
>> noisebridge
>> > > will implode.
>> > >
>> > > And these aren't simple questions.  The reality is, if you answer them
>> > > right, you are
>> > > going to lose a lot of members and piss a lot of people off.  Because
>> what
>> > > you'll be
>> > > doing in effect by limiting the vague scope of what noisebridge is, is
>> > > telling people
>> > > that they do not belong.  That they are no longer a part of the
>> > > noisebridge community.
>> > > And that's going to hurt.
>> > >
>> > > So all this bickering about kitchens, about ban rules, about whether
>> or
>> > > not the space
>> > > should stay open late.   All of this is dancing around the very core
>> issue.
>> > >
>> > > Many feel the mission of noisebridge has failed.  They want to
>> redefine
>> > > it.  In doing
>> > > this, they will limit the future scope of the mission, and the
>> community.
>> > >  And that
>> > > means... not just the folks who are leeches on the community, but
>> > > contributors, and
>> > > die hard believers will find themselves no longer welcome.  And they
>> will
>> > > fight
>> > > bitterly to avoid that.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > So, as Naomi asked.  "Who is a hacker?"
>> > >
>> > > What the fuck is the purpose of Noisebridge today.  And what do you
>> want
>> > > it to be
>> > > tomorrow.  Hold no punches.  It's time to decide what the fuck you
>> people
>> > > are about.
>> > >
>> > > -openfly
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 04:04:30PM -0700, Naomi Most wrote:
>> > > > Mmkay.
>> > > >
>> > > > >Food Hacking, or just feeding the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT
>> CONDUCT.
>> > > >
>> > > > Who is a hacker?
>> > > >
>> > > > > Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS SQUAT at NB???
>> > > >
>> > > > Who is "we" and do you have any suggestions for how to not "let"
>> > > > people squat at NB?
>> > > >
>> > > > --Naomi
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Oren Beck <orenbeck at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > > >  New approaches=MINE... to "Kitchen Misuse" and the Squatter
>> Gaming.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Simply craft a layered approach of power/water/fridge securing
>> methods
>> > > and
>> > > > > thence empower the Excellent Uses to be Unsullied by Unexcellent
>> > > Misusers.
>> > > > > Oh- do contemplate the additional layer of a PERMANENT BAN NEEDING
>> > > SUPER
>> > > > > MAJORITY TO LIFT for anyone tampering/disabling the lock outs...
>> Means-
>> > > > > yeah- you break some rules and it's _game over- no replay. A place
>> > > upon the
>> > > > > wall of Permaban for THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE.  Because- a
>> misused
>> > > kitchen
>> > > > > can burn the space down/ get the lease lifted and so on. Same with
>> > > > > Squatters.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Let Grandpa shout softly a few unpopular truths and NB might learn
>> > > from my
>> > > > > Life Experience Points...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The fix vectors I am suggesting neatly could grant balance to the
>> > > Excellent
>> > > > > folks whilst providing an instrumental path to banishing the
>> > > Un-excellent.
>> > > > > Giving up the utility of a kitchen is surrender!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Will we surrender one more facet of HACKING?  Food Hacking, or
>> just
>> > > feeding
>> > > > > the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT CONDUCT.  I may need to repeat
>> this a
>> > > bit-
>> > > > > NB either is a HACKERSPACE or a SHELTER- we cannot serve both
>> paths..
>> > > If
>> > > > > consensus wishes to murder NB on that path So be it but not by my
>> > > words or
>> > > > > deeds.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >   Who of us   is sanely  opposed to telling squatters that
>> MIS-use is
>> > > > > prohibited un-excellent conduct=a ticket OUT of NB is surrender to
>> > > THEM?
>> > > > > Really- READ the star bracketed text  several times  FOR A SANITY
>> > > CHECK...
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ***The folks who sweat blood and tears to keep NB alive deserve
>> to use
>> > > a
>> > > > > Kitchen if they want to.  This ain't a class caste struggle game-
>> it's
>> > > about
>> > > > > keeping this space alive and welcoming to honorable HACKERS.
>> Including
>> > > the
>> > > > > Honorable HACKERS having a REAL KITCHEN instead of fracking
>> > > surrendering to
>> > > > > ANYONE. ***
>> > > > >
>> > > > >  I've empathy for the less fortunate and am damned mindful that
>> many
>> > > of us
>> > > > > are one disaster away from homeless. I ain't basing my rants on
>> any
>> > > desire
>> > > > > but THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE.. The Needy can be better literally
>> > > served if
>> > > > > we uplift Homo Rarely Sapient to where hunger is obsolete.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >  I live in Kansas City for many reasons including to NOT be a
>> Squatter
>> > > in an
>> > > > > unafforadable city,. Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS
>> > > SQUAT at
>> > > > > NB??? Fer Darwin's sake folks- Either NB is PRIMARILY A
>> HACKERSPACE
>> > > quite
>> > > > > irrespective of Kitchen or  not... and if NB"s held as NOT for
>> HACKING
>> > > FIRST
>> > > > > do consider that  we re-charter as "Something Else"  for reals.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >  ARE we going to really overtly say that Squatters get to displace
>> > > > > HACKERS???
>> > > > >
>> > > > >  DO NOT__***EVER*** empower perps to make us diminish OUR
>> > > capabilities!! .
>> > > > > The kitchen should STAY for use by the Excellent Hackers.- the
>> > > Misusers can
>> > > > > Go to Nifleheim/Gehenna/dev null etc and my empathy- or
>> situational
>> > > lack of
>> > > > > same- is based on their actions.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >  Please- If you wish to be the keeper of the less fortunate's
>> larder-
>> > > do so
>> > > > > on YOUR money etc.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Teal Deer: They win at gaming us to become less everytime we
>> remove
>> > > > > "something"  in  reactive mode- to their crap.
>> > > > >
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>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Naomi Theora Most
>> > > > naomi at nthmost.com
>> > > > +1-415-728-7490
>> > > >
>> > > > skype: nthmost
>> > > >
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>> > dean.mao at hackerdojo.com
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