[Noisebridge-discuss] Rayce Topic

Harry Moreno morenoh149 at gmail.com
Sun Dec 21 19:46:26 UTC 2014

Err what great injustice exactly? Being allowed into noisebridge is not a
basic human right we're depriving him of. Lots of ppl tried to help rayc
myself included. Noisebridge doesn't have the resources to help everyone in
need. Its quite the opposite. Noisebridge is in need of more persons who
have their life in order and want to be positive members of the community.
On Dec 21, 2014 10:22 AM, "Torrie Fischer" <tdfischer at hackerbots.net> wrote:

> On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:34:20 PM Torrie Fischer wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 20, 2014 07:06:32 PM ai_n0_hat at hushmail.com wrote:
> > > Community takes  work, i am willing to work with others on this issue
> > > from a  constructive standpoint, i hope other people are too.
> >
> > Okay, thats great. It'd be most Excellent to do that! Everyone else is
> out
> > of energy and really just can't handle RAYC at the space, and this was
> the
> > second time. If RAYC comes back, I'll just walk out of the space because
> I
> > want to hack and not figure out social justice. An effort was shared
> > between Naomi, Scotty, Kevin, Patrick, Joshua, Mohammad, myself, and many
> > others who do want RAYC at the space but we couldn't supply enough
> > bandwidth to make that happen, so we're just kinda done with it.
> >
> After some more thinking, I feel it is worth noting that there are a lot of
> folks who do want to work with RAYC on this and get him some help. He's a
> good
> friend to Mohammad and myself and it'd be neat if those of us who also
> want to
> help RAYC got together and figured out something to do. However, its been
> made
> perfectly clear by some people at Noisebridge that there would need to be
> an
> absolutely monumental change in RAYC's life before they're comfortable
> seeing
> RAYC in the space again. "Monumental" as in something consistently positive
> over the next many many years. Until then, please don't misconstrue my
> feelings about him as an invitation to bring him back to Noisebridge since
> I
> also wish to respect the feelings of my friends and the community at large
> and
> will quickly ask him to leave.
> I think this is be a good illustration of the dichotomy between /using/
> Noisebridge to help people and /being at/ Noisebridge to help people.. This
> sort of discussion of what Noisebridge means to people was first floated by
> Naomi around this time last year so I'm wondering if anyone else has spent
> time to figure out what Noisebridge means to oneself :)
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