[Noisebridge-discuss] Tom refusing to solve problems

[Jake]

you could have saved everyone's time by simply saying "jake, it's your 
fault that Tom has stonewalled you on your issue, you should have tried 
harder"

but then that makes it all the more obvious that you're taking the easy 
way out of this discussion by blaming the person who is complaining.

i honestly think you could do better.

-jake

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:

> So if I understand it correctly, the fact that Tom did not respond to this email, sent the same day of Tom's original response - in which "let me know" was the only
> further recommended course of action - resulted in today's much longer email.
> Honestly, it seems like Tom just glossed over this latest email and forgot to reply.
> 
> I think a better course of action would have been to follow up a day or so later and make a more concrete suggestion about where and when to meet up. Instead, you
> consider this lack of communication (both ways - it's been almost two months of bi-directional silence now) to be an attempt to actively obstruct debate and progress
> on Tom's part.
> 
> Getting the rest of the community involved in this doesn't seem like it's going to incite debate about the actual issue at hand; rather, it's probably just going to
> be a discussion about how you behaved in response to his ignoring you (regardless of whether it was intentional).
> 
> Jeffrey
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>       because they were in person, in irc, and sent-mail which i had not bothered to paste in.  Here is the last email I had sent to Tom, which went unanswered:
>
>        Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 20:49:10 -0800 (PST)
>        From: Jake <jake at spaz.org>
>        To: Tom Lowenthal <me at tomlowenthal.com>
>        Subject: Re: solving problems
>
>        Hi Tom,
>
>        Thank you for writing back.  I will probably be hanging around the house
>        tomorrow, i live in Oakland.  Or we could meet up at noisebridge or
>        anywhere, just let me know what times you prefer.
>
>        If there are other people you are aware of who should participate in this
>        discussion we should invite them too.
>
>        -jake
>
>       On Fri, 14 Mar 2014, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
>
>             Why didn't you include those repeated attempts?
> 
>
>             On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>                   Hannah,
>
>                   once again I ask you to please read my emails before replying to them. You said:
>
>                          2. Based on the email you forwarded, it looks like Tom was willing to meet with you to discuss this.  To me, that looks like Tom
>             was replying
>                         and being reasonable
>                             about why he disagreed with your proposal.  In short, the exact opposite of what you're claiming here.
> 
>
>             what I said was:
>
>                         I replied to the attached email and got nothing in response. This is after REPEATED attempts to get you to talk about your
>             objections
>                         and seek a common ground, talk about friendly amendments, or any progress at all.
> 
>
>             do you understand why what you've said is inaccurate and misleading?
>
>             -jake
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