[Noisebridge-discuss] Trimmed off the board list

Al Sweigart asweigart at gmail.com
Wed Mar 26 21:59:17 UTC 2014

Rachel, do you think your mean-spirited sarcasm is inviting to dialog? Are
you interested in having a dialog?

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:40 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
<rachelyra at gmail.com>wrote:

> I wonder, Al, if you have any thoughts on the ideological tension between
> your statements 'community buy in is key' and 'not everyone will be
> completely satisfied'
> One thing 100 percent consensus neatly solves is taking the factionalism
> out of who gets to have their way. Everyone does, not just whoever is in
> power.
> You are clearly delineating that you are in power here, Al. Is your goal
> to use your power to get your way? From my point of view, that is what you
> are trying to do here. This could be out of ignorance, blindness,
> stubbornness, or a willfull belief that Father Al knows best.
> You'll forgive me for finding the most hope in believing you to be, in
> this case, ignorant and stubborn.... since I sure don't believe in a
> paternalistic approach to life. I don't think Father Al knows best. I do
> respect you for trying, but call me crazy optimistic for hoping for you to
> grow, change.  Maybe you should try putting up signs for meth like you did
> for graffiti... that worked, right?
> I gotta take a break now, kids, I just admitted in public to respecting Al.
> R.
> On Mar 26, 2014 11:30 AM, "Al Sweigart" <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Madelynn and Tom articulated this better last night at the meeting, but I
>> want to reiterate for people just following the list that these changes are
>> not out of nowhere. We have been talking with individuals about how to fix
>> Noisebridge's problems well before the election. Community buy-in is key. I
>> don't want to dismiss the election results out of hand; it's not fair to
>> the members who voted after being told the board would take an active hand
>> at space improvements. This also doesn't mean the board is accountable to
>> no one, but it does mean that not everyone will be completely satisfied
>> with decisions being made (just like any group of people).
>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:16 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <
>> rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I would like to apologize, it appears I was mistaken. It seems that the
>>> list was not trimmed, but that discussion of these fundamental changes did
>>> not take place online any place I am able to find, follow, or see, as a
>>> former board member, council member, member member, throbbing gristle
>>> member.
>>> Community buy in for shifts is really key, people. The bigger the shift
>>> the more important this piece of the puzzle is.
>>> It's never too late to work towards consensus.
>>> R.
>>> On Mar 26, 2014 6:08 AM, "rachel lyra hospodar" <rachelyra at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I think it's interesting that sometime in the last month or so, someone
>>>> has for the first time since i was added in 2010, gone through the board
>>>> email list and trimmed out former board members.
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