[Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to open Noisebridge at sunrise

Thu Apr 30 21:20:36 UTC 2015

>
> We have members in the file that are not actually members

Oh that's cool!

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Patrick O'Doherty <p at trickod.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 02:03:22PM -0700, Henner Zeller wrote:
> > On 30 April 2015 at 13:46, kjs <bfb at riseup.net> wrote:
> >
> > > In this case, I would like to improve the interface for adding
> > > fulltimeusers. Am I correct that currently one must edit a text file on
> > > Earl's raspPie to assign a key fulltimeuser permissions?
> > >
> >
> > yes, it is a bit awkward. We should have more menu-options in the LCD.
> > However, it would probably not make much difference as we anyway would
> have
> > to edit the name and contact of a person with a fulltimeuser access. It
> is
> > mostly about implementation, so great if you would  like to work on it.
> >
> > Current discussion items are ranging from a terminal based curses thing
> via
> > some ssh connection (probably too much effort) to a little web
> interface. I
> > like the web interface idea, but we need to have some interaction with
> the
> > reader to authenticate people doing things on the web interface for
> > instance. Talk to me as I have some implementation ideas.
>
> I'm in favour of a web page accessible only on the Noisebridge LAN.
>
> it'd be possible to have a challenge / response authentication mechanism
> with a small web interface, as follows:
>
> * You visit the page are issued a token
> * You present your card to the reader and provide your same token
> * You can now admin your own card.
>
> >
> > The naming of these groups is a bit misleading. In general these are just
> > users of different levels of observed 'responsibleness'. 'users' are the
> > ones where we don't know yet. 'fulltimeusers' are the ones that seem to
> be
> > responsible enough to be opening the space in the morning and making sure
> > to take care of giving people a tour and stuff. And 'members' are people
> > that consistently showed responsible behavior and also can give out new
> > tokens.
> >
> > Also,  is there somewhere between sunrise and 11:00 that y'all are
> > > comfortable with? Sunrise+2hr? I feel most anon users are good users
> and
> > > key expiry will filter a majority of the bad users.
> > >
> >
> > This can be discussed and could be a compromise. In summer, that would be
> > around 7:30am so a tad early; in winter it could be a tad late.
> >
> > But remember,we have about 150 users now, most of them anonymous. Right
> > now, the practice is to give out tokens realtively freely, but I don't
> know
> > if I'd like all of these to be in there at dawn...
> > However, I am happy to do some experiments.
> >
> > -h
> >
> >
> > > -Kevin
> > >
> > > On April 30, 2015 2:24:46 AM PDT, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >+1 to what Henner suggested:  'fulltimeusers' get extended from
> sunrise
> > > >to start at sunrise.
> > > >
> > > >Best,
> > > >Mitch.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 22:13:35 -0700
> > > >From: h.zeller at acm.org
> > > >To: bfb at riseup.net
> > > >CC: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> > > >Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to open Noisebridge at
> > > >sunrise
> > > >
> > > >On 29 April 2015 at 20:17,  <bfb at riseup.net> wrote:
> > > >Hi all,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >At the last several meetings there has been lively discussion to bump
> > > >up our opening time from 11:00 to sunrise. Specifically, Earl, our
> > > >gatekeeper, is configured for three user types.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Earl currently opens when an RFID key is scanned for:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >anonymous users from 11:00 - 22:00
> > > >
> > > >deanonymized users from 7:00 - 23:59
> > > >
> > > >root users with 24 hour access
> > > >
> > > >the second group is actually 'fulltimeusers', which is like the other
> > > >users as well and 'could' be anonymous, but in practice isn't (but
> > > >should probably be a requirement).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >The proposal is to change this to:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >anonymous users from sunrise - 22:00
> > > >
> > > >deanonymized users form sunrise - 23:59
> > > >
> > > >root users with 24 hour access
> > > >
> > > >I would _not_ put anonymous users in the sunrise category. We give out
> > > >tokens pretty freely these days, and I would like to continue this
> > > >welcoming gesture. However, if this brings in the burden to really,
> > > >really be sure that this is a person I can 100% trust, then giving out
> > > >tokens will be slowed down; which is not what we want. Someone coming
> > > >in in early hours should be explicitly put into that category.
> > > >So I would like to have people who can access the space in the early
> > > >hours to be known and explicitly put in the 'fulltimeuser' category.
> > > >
> > > >But I am (personally) ok with having 'fulltimeuser' extended in the
> > > >morning to sunrise (and would slightly endorse it).
> > > >-h
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >To accomplish this we use the https://github.com/cpucycle/astrotime
> > > >library. The code is in place, perhaps ready to deploy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >How do others feel about this change? If you're curious, have a look
> at
> > > >meeting discussions.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >https://www.noisebridge.net/Meeting_Notes_2015_04_07
> > > >
> > > >https://www.noisebridge.net/Meeting_Notes_2015_04_21
> > > >
> > > >https://www.noisebridge.net/Meeting_Notes_2015_04_28
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Some salient points for me include:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Early birds have described friction with the 11:00 opening hour
> > > >
> > > >Noisebridge is lonely when empty
> > > >
> > > >Noisebridge prospers when used, not abused
> > > >
> > > >Early birds want to hack between sunrise and 11:00 at Noisebridge
> > > >
> > > >Updating RFID keys with contact information requires editing a text
> > > >file (not currently supported via the touchpad interface)
> > > >
> > > >Decoupling Noisebridge from an arbitrary and obsolete governmental
> > > >definition, the PDT/PST flux, is nice
> > > >
> > > >Sunrise is beautiful
> > > >
> > > >If the change is not working out, we can always roll back
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Thanks much for reading,
> > > >
> > > >Kevin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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