[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/17/2017

John Shutt john.d.shutt at gmail.com
Sun Oct 22 18:46:33 UTC 2017

If you can meet during the day next week, I would be up for meeting in person to talk. I can’t make it to Tuesday meetings til May.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 21, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Revolt <revoltrightnow at gmail.com> wrote:
> John S. are you unwilling to use $400/year from the General Fund for
> elevator repairs?  Again, the Noisebridge Consensus Wiki states:
> "If a member does not attend a meeting, they are asserting that they
> are comfortable with the decisions of those who do choose to attend,
> whether or not they agree. "
> from: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Consensus_Process
> Refusing to acknowledge proper consensus and trying to block after 3
> consecutive meetings which you did not attend is unexcellent behavior.
> If you refuse to provide this money for elevator repairs then you
> would be mishandling Noisebridge funds and abusing your privileged
> role as Treasurer of Noisebridge.
> The $200 that DBI is requiring for ADA access /does not/ need to be
> spent on the elevator.  There are other ADA issues at Noisebridge that
> could use this money.  For starters, you can use it to reimburse Kevin
> P. for the caution tape he purchased on Amazon to better mark ADA
> access in the space.  I would also like to use it to purchase some
> quality ADA signage for the space and possibly do something about the
> heavy glass doors always blocking up the entry way.
> Here is an example of a good ADA sign with braille:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/ADA-Sign-Wheelchair-Accessible-Tactile-Symbol-Braille-Plastic-6x9-Blue-White-/251892778533?epid=1800082539&hash=item3aa5fac625:g:fdIAAOSww5NZA8IK
> It would also be nice to use this money to add braille to key places
> in the space for those with vision impairments.
> Money has not been available for elevator repairs, thus the consensus
> proposal. I will make a separate reply to that later.
> Also please note, I have had surgery on my hands previously and typing
> on these emails on the NB-Discuss is taxing me and is painful.  John
> S, would you be open to coming to the NB meeting this Tuesday to
> discuss these issues in more detail?
> -Zach
>> On 10/20/17, John Shutt <john.d.shutt at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Liz,
>> I think the initial thing was that the landlord had called for a repair
>> after someone being 86’d broke the elevator. That makes sense, since the
>> elevator is part of the building and not a part of Noisebridge. It’s their
>> legal responsibility, but it’s not clear if we have anything in our lease to
>> force them to keep it in good repair. So it’s not clear Noisebridge has paid
>> for elevator repairs in the past or just notified the landlord, though I’m
>> curious about that.
>> Then things dragged out for over a month as the landlord claimed that
>> licensed elevator repair people were booked solid. Then they came and said
>> they did a repair, but there were still issues with it. So Zach and a few
>> other community members did DIY repairs that seem to have it working, though
>> people are advised to avoid using it unless they need to.
>> I don’t think money is the issue right now since there is money set aside
>> for repairs and more on the way, and the first requested parts ordered and
>> delivered. I’m waiting for word of additional spending we should make, but
>> haven’t gotten anything specific. The issue of whether or not Noisebridge
>> should take on some of the landlord’s responsibility to repair the elevator
>> was do-ocratically resolved.
>> Money is now available in the low hundreds, and soon low thousands, for
>> parts and professional maintenance. If expected costs expand to mid
>> thousands or high thousands, I think we should figure out exact numbers so
>> we can approach the landlord and say we’ll take on your responsibility here
>> but need to work out a deal with you to reduce rent. Since no one has a
>> specific ask above $40 so far, and those parts have already been ordered and
>> are in the space, I don’t think we’re practically constrained by the money
>> available.
>> Best,
>> John
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 1:21 PM, Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> The elevator seems to have been in bad repair for some time.  I didn't
>>> realize there was any particular limit on how much money we spend on
>>> elevator repair.
>>> Are people not calling elevator repair services because of money concerns?
>>> The last I heard from Mitch and others about this, we have plenty of
>>> money.
>>> Fixing the elevator shouldn't be an optional part of running Noisebridge.
>>> What's the deal here?  Who calls for a repair service, or decides not to,
>>> these days?
>>> I've been going around for years talking about how NB and other bay area
>>> hackerspaces are great about accessibility -- when we first moved spaces,
>>> I asked for wheelchair access and really appreciated that people took that
>>> seriously.   It has meant that I can recommend the space to others as well
>>> as having access myself.   Hope that can continue.
>>> Best
>>> Liz
>>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John Shutt <john.d.shutt at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> The original consensus proposal doesn’t mention the general fund at all,
>>>> so in trying to understand how to actually allocate money, here’s my
>>>> interpretation:
>>>> 1. $200 in state mandated spending has already been allocated to the
>>>> Elevator Repair Fund.
>>>> 2. $720 is inbound to the Elevator Repair Fund. This will mean $920 is
>>>> allocated specifically to elevator repair.
>>>> 3. Matching grants from the Equipment Fund count towards Noisebridge’s
>>>> yearly spending on elevator repair.
>>>> 4. If the Elevator Repair Fund and/or Equipment Fund are exhausted to the
>>>> point that they can’t cover the mandated $400 of elevator repair spending
>>>> per year, consensus is that the money should be made available from the
>>>> general fund at that point.
>>>> This level of detail matters since our spending and bookkeeping is more
>>>> complicated than in the past. We have several distinct funds and need to
>>>> account for them separately.
>>>> Details and running totals can be found at
>>>> https://noisebridge.net/finances
>>>> If my interpretation of how to account for the elevator repair fund seems
>>>> off to anyone, let’s talk about it and figure it out.
>>>> John
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 2:04 PM, kprichard <kprichard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>> I am only aware of the 2017-10-10 meeting notes writeup-
>>>>> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10#Elevator_Repair_Fund
>>>>> Others may be aware of another version.
>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 1:51 PM, John Shutt <john.d.shutt at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Can someone link to the actual text of the consensus proposal?
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 1:32 PM, kprichard <kprichard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Greetings, NB-
>>>>>>> A meeting has occurred.
>>>>>>> Most notable, Zach's consensus item proposal from last week, of
>>>>>>> creating a set-aside for elevator repair from the general fund, was
>>>>>>> read again and has gone into effect without objection.
>>>>>>> Meeting Summary-
>>>>>>>  *   Announcements: 2017-10-30: Google "Playcrafting" game dev expo;
>>>>>>> ADA compliance floor markings added; City College is adding maker
>>>>>>> spaces
>>>>>>>  *   Finances: we have 9 months rent in the bank
>>>>>>>  *   New members: open apps: Nicole (3rd week), Merlin (4th week;
>>>>>>> deferred: not present)
>>>>>>>  *   New philanthropists: open apps: Kelly A (1st week)
>>>>>>>  *   Consensus Items: Zach's proposal to allocate general funds for
>>>>>>> elevator repair was consensed ($400 to start)
>>>>>>>  *   Discussion Items: (none)
>>>>>>> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_17
>>>>>>> -Kevin
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