[Noisebridge-discuss] Keys

[Ani Niow]

Perhaps "deem awesome" wasn't the best way of putting it, but isn't that
sort of what we do when we accept new members? The individual who wants to
become a member usually proves themselves in some way or another, offering
to teach a class, helping out with a project or simply not being a douchebag
are some examples I've seen. You're certainly not required to do something
that makes people go ooh and aah over.



-Ani




2009/6/1 Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com>

> The benefits of membership are the ability to participate in the consensus
> process, period.
>
> Why's it important to have the group deem someone awesome?
>
> --S
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Ani Niow <v at oneletterwonder.com> wrote:
>
>> Can I also say that I've been a bit uncomfortable with the idea and
>> practice of handing out keys to non-members ever since I knew about it? Its
>> not so much about the security issues of a lock which can be easily picked
>> as we all are aware but the symbology of trusting someone enough to let them
>> use our space whenever they please without having to have someone else let
>> them in.
>> If someone has a key then I know they're a member and has been deemed
>> awesome by the group to become a part of us, if anyone can give anyone a key
>> that makes that distinction more difficult. I know I've had friends before
>> that I thought were alright but many of my other friends didn't.
>>
>> This also brings into question, what are the actual benefits to
>> membership? From what I've been able to gather, you get to block consensus
>> (oh boy) and contribute to keep the space going. The list on the wiki of
>> member benefits doesn't seem to be all that accurate in practice.
>> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/New_Member_FAQ
>>
>>
>> -Ani
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/6/1 Al Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>
>>
>> On 6/1/09 4:33 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
>>>
>>>> A list of 150-200 people who may have a key is probably not useful to
>>>> Noisebridge. I bet more than a number of members would be doubleplus
>>>> unhappy about such a list, myself included. It has a chilling effect
>>>> without much of a return, I think.
>>>>
>>>> Do we really need a list of names to tell us that any crackhead on the
>>>> street can bump that lock with a rubber mallet?
>>>>
>>>> Really, I think the concern is valid but attempted control of the keys
>>>> seems to accomplish very little...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, for a while we were talking about putting it an electronic lock
>>> system or replacing the locks. When keys were first handed out, I do know
>>> that none of us expected that we'd be using the same keys and locks eight
>>> months later.
>>>
>>> Al
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