[Noisebridge-discuss] Stolen food at Noisebridge yes or no?

[aestetix aestetix]

Ok, I understand your intention, but I completely disagree. Nobody should
*ever* be banned from the space. In the past, when someone has done
something people consider unethical, they've been asked to stay away for a
bit while things settle down. Banning someone is counterproductive and leads
to all kinds of problems. Plus, think about it: if someone is already known
for breaking into a venue and stealing things, do you really want to make
them upset at you?

On the other hand, perhaps they have a certain ethic or philosophy regarding
this, and someone having a one-on-one discussion with them might be a great
way not only to learn more about why they do this, but also to possibly
teach them why we think it is or isn't excellent. I think it's far more
excellent to teach someone good things, than to ban them for what we presume
is a bad thing.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Ryan Castellucci <
ryan.castellucci at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah... whoever this thief is should be banned from the space.  It
> sounds to me like they're the sort of person who *will* get caught
> (telling other people about your crimes? really?), and when that
> happens we need to have nothing to do with such unexcellent behavior.
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Jonathan Foote <jtfoote at ieee.org> wrote:
> > Frantisek,
> >
> > thanks for bringing this up. Risky or not, it's unethical and I for
> > one will have nothing to do with it.
> >
> > Plus, as long as the term  "hacker" continues to be misunderstood in
> > media and popular culture, it behooves us as an organization to be
> > scrupulously and flamboyantly ethical. As Mr. Zimmerman once sang, "to
> > live outside the law you must be honest."
> >
> > On Wednesday, July 14, 2010, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> HI to All!
> >> At the end of the notes from todays member meeting I've found kind of PS
> to be
> >> discussed, however this subject was not on the meeting by it self. Me
> Algoldor =
> >> Frantisek Apfelbeck. I'm the person who after several days of thinking
> decided
> >> to talk to the person who brings to Noisebridge stolen groceries, to
> process it,
> >> turn it in to the  tasty product and give it to the people in need. I
> think the
> >> goal is noble but I do not think that obtain the resources by stealing
> is good
> >> thing to do no matter from what resources is the food coming. I've
> suggested to
> >> the person in question to further explore the ways how to meet the these
> goals
> >> but in a more positive, constructive way. As for me, I do not want to
> cook and
> >> eat food, which was obtained without agreement of  the counterpart. I'm
> trying
> >> to buy local, organic and fair trade if I can. I do not think that
> steeling is
> >> "excellent".
> >>
> >> Well that should be it from me, I would like to know what the other
> people think
> >> about that.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Frantisek
> >>
> >>
> >>
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