[Noisebridge-discuss] So, how many people live at noisebridge now?

Thu Oct 21 02:11:02 UTC 2010

We should do it the hacker way.  Electrify the couches!  That would teach
those bedbugs what for.  And the campers.

Either way, I'd love to help, but I don't see much free time popping up in
the next couple of weeks.  Maybe a Saturday morning or early afternoon down
the road (but not this weekend).

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Mark G Sobell <marksobell at gmail.com> wrote:

> I will help.
>
> I would prefer to spend an evening getting rid of bedbugs at NB (or
> making sure they are not there) than spend days getting rid of them in
> my house.
>
> The EPA provides information about chemicals you can use to kill
> bedbugs here: http://cfpub.epa.gov/oppref/bedbug/.
>
> We need to come up with a plan of action including which furniture we
> will attack, which chemical we will use, and the time we will do it.
> If it is a powder I would like to have a mask on hand so I do not breath it
> in.
>
> We should also probably apply this procedure regularly. I do not know how
> often.
>
> Anything else?
>
>             Mark
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Heh.  On the issue of project management and bedbugs...  I find it
> supremely
> > ironic that there's been a call put out for eradication, I've offered a
> > solution contingent on help... and all I got was crickets.  (Oh, and
> > individuals requesting to borrow my steamer for their own stuff.)
> > Bedbugs are a very real problem in SF.  The biggest issue is that public
> > health officials believe this to be a resistant strain, meaning that all
> the
> > DDT in the world won't help us.  It takes actual effort.  We could get
> any
> > potential bedbugs eradicated from the couches in an evening... if anyone
> was
> > willing to actually bother to do it.
> > So much talk...
> > Christie
> > _______
> > But wait... there's no FCC on the moon!
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Zedd Epstein <zedd.00 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've always been of the opinion that sleeping is at the very bottom of
> the
> >> "stuff to do at noisebridge" list. Therefore, if you're sleeping at the
> >> space it would be most bogus to tell someone to quiet down, because
> whatever
> >> they're doing is a better use of the space than you sleeping there.
> >>
> >> Zedd
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Albert Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes. I mostly want to prevent the space from being abused, more than
> >>> being against sleeping/crashing at NB. It's just that I wouldn't want
> >>> NB to be used as a living space or a hotel, and it's easy enough for
> >>> someone to say, "I'm not living here, I'm just going to be sleeping
> >>> here for the next few nights until I move on somewhere else." or "This
> >>> guy is just going to stay overnight a couple times while he's in
> >>> town."
> >>>
> >>> Also, it would be nice for us to hash out (at least informally on the
> >>> mailing list) some boundaries. I'm all for not dealing with things
> >>> until they become actual problems, but in this particular issue has
> >>> come up before. I've personally seen an instance late at night where
> >>> people in the space were told to try to keep it quiet by someone who
> >>> wanted to go back to sleep. Sure, people will try to keep it
> >>> reasonably quiet ("reasonable" being subjective) and those sleeping
> >>> can wear ear plugs (if we have them), but when push comes to shove,
> >>> who is more in the right?
> >>>
> >>> So, where do we stand on the noise level vs. people sleeping? I'd say
> >>> that people can't have any expectation of quietness from power tools,
> >>> general chatter, and classroom lectures. I'd be more inclined towards
> >>> quiet vs. playing music.
> >>>
> >>> Where do other people stand on this?
> >>>
> >>> -Al
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > I dunno, I think it's only a problem when it's a problem, if you see
> >>> > what I mean.  Obviously we can't have people actually living there;
> >>> > that
> >>> > is impractical and against our lease and against the zoning
> regulations
> >>> > (or some other regulation; I'm thinking of the one about how you
> aren't
> >>> > allowed to live at the office unless it's specifically live-work
> space,
> >>> > which NB is not).  Also it's not like there are beds or shower
> >>> > facilities.  If I need to nap, I can nap; if someone else needs to
> use
> >>> > the lathe at the time, well then that's just my bad luck.
> >>> >
> >>> > Also, if they're not bothering anyone who's trying to work, or
> >>> > destroying useful stuff, why should anyone have a problem with people
> >>> > staying up late drinking and playing games?
> >>> >
> >>> > Pretty much everything we do is on a case-by-case basis and it lets
> us
> >>> > not have Rules, which then we'd have to enforce, even if it didn't
> make
> >>> > sense to do so.  I'm all for case-by-case bases.
> >>> >
> >>> > Rachel
> >>> >
> >>> > Albert Sweigart wrote:
> >>> >> So, to put out the obvious question: When does just zonking out at
> >>> >> Noisebridge get to the point where it becomes a problem? I'd think
> >>> >> that if you go to Noisebridge planning to work late and not catch
> the
> >>> >> last BART more frequently than once or twice a month, that isn't
> >>> >> acceptable. Though I wouldn't see a problem with people staying up
> all
> >>> >> night working on a project (as opposed to staying up all night
> playing
> >>> >> games and/or drinking).
> >>> >>
> >>> >> For fairness, we could come up with some rules and limits for how
> many
> >>> >> times someone crashes at Noisebridge. But nobody is going to be
> around
> >>> >> often enough to enforce them. If we do it on a case by case basis,
> >>> >> then people might cry out about inequitable treatment ("but
> so-and-so
> >>> >> has slept here more often than me and nobody is saying
> anything...").
> >>> >> Though the latter is probably the most reasonable.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> What are other people's ideas of where the line is? I think sleeping
> >>> >> at NB more than once or twice a month, or coming to NB planning to
> >>> >> sleep there is too much. Especially if it would be every month.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -Al
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