[Noisebridge-discuss] [Noisebridge-announce] Noisebridge Statement on Jacob Appelbaum
jim
jim at well.com
Sat Jun 11 03:46:21 UTC 2016
Thank you, Andrey,
It would have been difficult for me to find
the links you included.
I'm sending this off-list so's not to promote
more discussion (which might get heated...).
On 06/11/2016 02:46 AM, Andrey Fedorov wrote:
> Take jim's message as a request for documentation, not necessarily a
> refusal to do his own research. After reading all the original sources
> I can find, the accounts don't describe someone who I'd be close
> friends or get in bed with, but that bar is a bit higher than "I never
> want to be in the same room as him". The anonymous nature of the
> announcement and non-public reasoning that led to it is definitely weird.
>
> More generally (i.e. NOT about this case in particular): smear
> campaigns do happen, and if whatever process is in place for banning
> folks doesn't protect people from being targets, then being part of
> the community becomes a risk for those who work on things someone
> might want to retaliate against. That's not unequivocally a good or a
> bad thing, just something that affects the nature of the community.
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Ceren Ercen <ceren at ercen.com
> <mailto:ceren at ercen.com>> wrote:
>
> Try doing the absolute minimum of Google searches before
> complaining or waving conspiracy theories around. You'll come off
> as less uninformed. Don't complain when we don't do your Google
> searches for you.
>
> And for the rest of you who "never noticed anything wrong"....
> that's on you. And you may want to take a moment and examine
> yourself, to consider why you overlooked years of warning signs.
>
> Also, I'm only disappointed that there hadn't been discussion of
> this problem on this list, yet, but as I'm not physically located
> nearby SF this year, I decided it wasn't my place to open one.
>
> On Jun 10, 2016 9:06 PM, "jim" <jim at well.com
> <mailto:jim at well.com>> wrote:
>
>
> I subxcribe to the Noisebridge-announce mailing
> list. Today I received email from
>
> noisebridge at riseup.net <mailto:noisebridge at riseup.net>
>
> sent to the Noisebridge-announce list. Here is the
> entire content of the body of the message:
>
> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge_Statement_on_Jacob_Appelbaum
>
>
>
>
> Below is my reply to the message:
>
> This is coming out of the blue for me. I have
> heard no claims against Jake for any reason.
>
> My questions are
> * who wrote this
> * what is the basis of the claims against Jake?
>
> The anonymity of the writer makes me suspicious.
> The lack of information behind the primary claim
> makes me suspicious.
> This may be an artifact of a smear campaign.
>
> I'm presenting my concern to the Noisebridge-discuss
> mailing list hoping for information. I really hope
> this does not develop into an emotional discussion.
>
>
>
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