[Noisebridge-discuss] ADA Access for the future Noisebridge

jim jim at well.com
Wed Feb 28 03:33:45 UTC 2018


+1   and thank you.


On 02/28/2018 01:38 AM, jarrod hicks wrote:
> I think people outside of our Slack are effectively excluded from full 
> participation in our location searching, since that is where the 
> collaboration is being done. We aren't having new-space meetings and 
> updates regarding the search aren't really going out to the discussion 
> list or wiki. (I've certainly failed in this regard) I think the last 
> new space meeting was in December and it was Kevin who put the notes 
> on discuss.
>
> It may help us move forward better as a whole if we get more of the 
> new space discussion here instead of on, or in addition to, Slack.
>
> We could start individual threads for the promising locations or other 
> discussion threads using a somewhat standard subject line like: 
> "  - address or subject" for easy searching and filtering
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 4:05 PM, kprichard <kprichard at gmail.com 
> <mailto:kprichard at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Zach,
>
>     *_"Is equal access for all a fundamental part of Noisebridge's
>     mission?"_*
>
>
>     It is!  Nobody should be prevented from coming to Noisebridge
>     because of disability.  Accessibilty is one of the top criteria
>     when we talk about when a space is being presented.
>
>     In the nearly eight years since Noisebridge moved into 2169#3,
>     market rents have literally quadrupled.  Imagine a Noisebridge
>     where we're paying four times our current rent, Zach.
>
>     Philanthropist & membership dues would be $320, not $80!  That
>     would leave Noisebridge inaccessible to most, if not all. (That's
>     more than double TechShop's old rates, without all their equipment.)
>
>     To deal with that, we expanded our search to include spaces that
>     are not *currently* ADA accessible, because-
>     a) they fit our extremely limited size/location/price nexus (being
>     only 2-2.5 times more money), AND
>     b) we feel there's a good chance those spaces can be upgraded to
>     accomodate everyone.
>
>     Note that I said "not currently ADA accessible."  Of the two
>     spaces on the table today, one is at least 90% compatible (and
>     easily brought up to 100%), and the other has a big hurdle
>     (stairs) which the landlord might be willing to help us overcome
>     (I am waiting on an answer). And remember that we have talented
>     people with architecture and construction skills in our membership.
>
>     *"I know finding an accessible space is going to be really, really
>     hard.I do ask that people really try though.That includes
>     educating ourselves around access and including disabled people in
>     the search and in the conversation."
>     *
>     A perfect space meeting Noisebridge's accessibility, size, price,
>     location needs will not just fall into our laps. You can help
>     Noisebridge by joining the hunt and finding some spaces which fits
>     our needs.
>
>     Try loopnet.com <http://loopnet.com> and sfbay.craigslist.org
>     <http://sfbay.craigslist.org>, those seem to be the two main
>     services where industrial and flex properties get listed. Our
>     current criteria-
>
>     1. Accessibility: ground floor with wide doors, accessible
>     bathrooms, and/or an elevator if not ground or if multi-floor (or
>     potential to be made accessible)
>     2. Price: the current rent is around $9.50/sqft/year, and we'd
>     like to keep it under $24/yr
>     3. Location: consensus is to be within 10-15 minutes of BART and
>     major bus lines (that excludes Dogpatch, Bayview, Hunters Point etc)
>     4. Size: 4,000 square feet, or more
>
>     When you prioritize all four criteria equally, the number of
>     vacant spaces falls to zero. If we expand the search to spaces
>     that we or the landlord can modify for accessibility, we get a
>     handful. Or, at least we *did* get a handful, but now the market
>     appears to have dried up. Prices are rising, and vacancies are
>     vanishing as tech firms continue to flood San Francisco. That's
>     why the two spaces on the table are not perfect.
>
>     Call brokers and ask if they know about spaces meeting our
>     criteria! The more people who are involved in the hunt, the more
>     chances we have at surviving this fall.
>
>     We're on your side, man!  Join us in the search! Don't fight your
>     fellow Noisebridgers -- fight NB's impending doom at the hands of
>     the most nefarious villain of all, The Market. :)
>
>     Best,
>     Kevin
>
>     On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Zach R <organicunity at hotmail.com
>     <mailto:organicunity at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hi everyone,
>
>              It was recently brought to my attention that the search
>         for a new Noisebridge home has included many (perhaps solely)
>         inaccessible places.Meaning, the future Noisebridge would not
>         allow me, or anyone else in a wheelchair, walker, etc. to
>         enter.This would eliminate me from being part of the community
>         entirely.
>
>         Now, I know the search for a new place is very rough, rents
>         are exorbitant, and I would not want to stand in the way of
>         Noisebridge continuing to exist.But I think there needs to be
>         a huge shift in the effort being put towards finding
>         accessible spaces.I have some ideas listed below.But first, I
>         want to pose a question to the community because I get
>         different answers / opinions from different people:
>
>         /_
>         _/
>
>         *_Is equal access for all a fundamental part of Noisebridge's
>         mission?_*
>
>         I don't know the answer to that question, but I think it is a
>         good one to talk about among the community.
>
>         Now, as far as an actual sincere effort to searching for an
>         accessible space.Here are some suggestions:
>
>           * *Include disabled people in this conversation and ask them
>             about their needs* -this is very important.Please don't
>             assume what people's needs are.Please include some
>             disabled people in the closed-circle Noisebridge building
>             search.
>
>           * Call and ask the landlord exactly what accessibility looks
>             like.How many steps are there?What is the size of the
>             door, gate, etc?How narrow / wide are hallways and entry
>             areas?Is there a large single-occupancy bathroom? What is
>             the slope of the entry way?Is there a working
>             elevator?Relay this information to disabled members for
>             feedback and input /_before_/ going to a space, taking
>             pictures, and getting really attached to it.
>
>           * Reach out to organizations and do an internet search for
>             accessibility options, and laws around construction and
>             such.You, yes, /you/ can actually step up to do some of
>             this research.Call:
>
>         /Senior Disability Action (https://sdaction.org/(415) 546-1333
>         <tel:%28415%29%20546-1333>)/
>
>         /ILRC (https://www.ilrcsf.org/ (415) 543-6222
>         <tel:%28415%29%20543-6222>)/
>
>         or similar places to ask for advice.
>
>         I want to be clear that I don't expect to be a part of
>         Noisebridge come August.I know finding an accessible space is
>         going to be really, really hard.I do ask that people really
>         try though.That includes educating ourselves around access and
>         including disabled people in the search and in the conversation.
>
>         I plan on attending the meeting tonight (which hopefully
>         happens) in case anyone wants to discuss this stuff with me.I
>         do ask however, that you do not vent your frustrations on me.I
>         do not want to be the scapegoat for San Francisco's problems
>         with ADA access and high rents.As the most active
>         wheelchair-using member of Noisebridge I have had to work
>         overtime educating people about access, ableism, and
>         advocating for myself.It's exhausting.I am just trying to be a
>         part of the community and I hope everyone can understand and
>         respect that.
>
>
>         Thanks for reading this and taking the time to care about
>         these issues.  I look forward to our conversation and growth
>         as a community together.
>
>         -Zach
>
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