[Noisebridge-discuss] ADA Access for the future Noisebridge

jim jim at well.com
Wed Feb 28 20:25:13 UTC 2018


thank you.


On 02/28/2018 07:34 AM, kprichard wrote:
> Competing real estate brokers, landlords (including our current), and 
> trolls that want to harm Noisebridge's efforts to find a new home.
>
> Evidence for the latter exists. The first two are well established 
> facts of the real estate industry.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:34 PM, jim <jim at well.com 
> <mailto:jim at well.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     what evidence is there for parties not allied...?
>
>
>     On 02/28/2018 02:11 AM, kprichard wrote:
>>     We've begun posting notes, photos and documents up on a sharing
>>     service.  We'll start distributing those internally in the next
>>     24 hours.
>>
>>     In the interest of protecting our search from parties not allied
>>     to our mission, we should find a non-public means for having an
>>     accessible, threaded conversation -like an internal mailing list.
>>
>>     Kevin
>>
>>
>>     On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:38 PM, jarrod hicks <hicksu at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:hicksu at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         I think people outside of our Slack are effectively excluded
>>         from full participation in our location searching, since that
>>         is where the collaboration is being done. We aren't having
>>         new-space meetings and updates regarding the search aren't
>>         really going out to the discussion list or wiki. (I've
>>         certainly failed in this regard) I think the last new space
>>         meeting was in December and it was Kevin who put the notes on
>>         discuss.
>>
>>         It may help us move forward better as a whole if we get more
>>         of the new space discussion here instead of on, or in
>>         addition to, Slack.
>>
>>         We could start individual threads for the promising locations
>>         or other discussion threads using a somewhat standard subject
>>         line like: "  - address or subject" for easy searching
>>         and filtering
>>
>>
>>         On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 4:05 PM, kprichard
>>         <kprichard at gmail.com <mailto:kprichard at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             Hi Zach,
>>
>>             *_"Is equal access for all a fundamental part of
>>             Noisebridge's mission?"_*
>>
>>
>>             It is!  Nobody should be prevented from coming to
>>             Noisebridge because of disability.  Accessibilty is one
>>             of the top criteria when we talk about when a space is
>>             being presented.
>>
>>             In the nearly eight years since Noisebridge moved into
>>             2169#3, market rents have literally quadrupled.  Imagine
>>             a Noisebridge where we're paying four times our current
>>             rent, Zach.
>>
>>             Philanthropist & membership dues would be $320, not $80! 
>>             That would leave Noisebridge inaccessible to most, if not
>>             all. (That's more than double TechShop's old rates,
>>             without all their equipment.)
>>
>>             To deal with that, we expanded our search to include
>>             spaces that are not *currently* ADA accessible, because-
>>             a) they fit our extremely limited size/location/price
>>             nexus (being only 2-2.5 times more money), AND
>>             b) we feel there's a good chance those spaces can be
>>             upgraded to accomodate everyone.
>>
>>             Note that I said "not currently ADA accessible."  Of the
>>             two spaces on the table today, one is at least 90%
>>             compatible (and easily brought up to 100%), and the other
>>             has a big hurdle (stairs) which the landlord might be
>>             willing to help us overcome (I am waiting on an answer).
>>             And remember that we have talented people with
>>             architecture and construction skills in our membership.
>>
>>             *"I know finding an accessible space is going to be
>>             really, really hard.I do ask that people really try
>>             though.That includes educating ourselves around access
>>             and including disabled people in the search and in the
>>             conversation."
>>             *
>>             A perfect space meeting Noisebridge's accessibility,
>>             size, price, location needs will not just fall into our
>>             laps. You can help Noisebridge by joining the hunt and
>>             finding some spaces which fits our needs.
>>
>>             Try loopnet.com <http://loopnet.com> and
>>             sfbay.craigslist.org <http://sfbay.craigslist.org>, those
>>             seem to be the two main services where industrial and
>>             flex properties get listed. Our current criteria-
>>
>>             1. Accessibility: ground floor with wide doors,
>>             accessible bathrooms, and/or an elevator if not ground or
>>             if multi-floor (or potential to be made accessible)
>>             2. Price: the current rent is around $9.50/sqft/year, and
>>             we'd like to keep it under $24/yr
>>             3. Location: consensus is to be within 10-15 minutes of
>>             BART and major bus lines (that excludes Dogpatch,
>>             Bayview, Hunters Point etc)
>>             4. Size: 4,000 square feet, or more
>>
>>             When you prioritize all four criteria equally, the number
>>             of vacant spaces falls to zero. If we expand the search
>>             to spaces that we or the landlord can modify for
>>             accessibility, we get a handful. Or, at least we *did*
>>             get a handful, but now the market appears to have dried
>>             up. Prices are rising, and vacancies are vanishing as
>>             tech firms continue to flood San Francisco. That's why
>>             the two spaces on the table are not perfect.
>>
>>             Call brokers and ask if they know about spaces meeting
>>             our criteria! The more people who are involved in the
>>             hunt, the more chances we have at surviving this fall.
>>
>>             We're on your side, man! Join us in the search!  Don't
>>             fight your fellow Noisebridgers -- fight NB's impending
>>             doom at the hands of the most nefarious villain of all,
>>             The Market. :)
>>
>>             Best,
>>             Kevin
>>
>>             On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Zach R
>>             <organicunity at hotmail.com
>>             <mailto:organicunity at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Hi everyone,
>>
>>                 It was recently brought to my attention that the
>>                 search for a new Noisebridge home has included many
>>                 (perhaps solely) inaccessible places.Meaning, the
>>                 future Noisebridge would not allow me, or anyone else
>>                 in a wheelchair, walker, etc. to enter.This would
>>                 eliminate me from being part of the community entirely.
>>
>>                 Now, I know the search for a new place is very rough,
>>                 rents are exorbitant, and I would not want to stand
>>                 in the way of Noisebridge continuing to exist.But I
>>                 think there needs to be a huge shift in the effort
>>                 being put towards finding accessible spaces.I have
>>                 some ideas listed below.But first, I want to pose a
>>                 question to the community because I get different
>>                 answers / opinions from different people:
>>
>>                 /_
>>                 _/
>>
>>                 *_Is equal access for all a fundamental part of
>>                 Noisebridge's mission?_*
>>
>>                 I don't know the answer to that question, but I think
>>                 it is a good one to talk about among the community.
>>
>>                 Now, as far as an actual sincere effort to searching
>>                 for an accessible space.Here are some suggestions:
>>
>>                   * *Include disabled people in this conversation and
>>                     ask them about their needs* -this is very
>>                     important.Please don't assume what people's needs
>>                     are.Please include some disabled people in the
>>                     closed-circle Noisebridge building search.
>>
>>                   * Call and ask the landlord exactly what
>>                     accessibility looks like.How many steps are
>>                     there?What is the size of the door, gate, etc?How
>>                     narrow / wide are hallways and entry areas?Is
>>                     there a large single-occupancy bathroom? What is
>>                     the slope of the entry way?Is there a working
>>                     elevator?Relay this information to disabled
>>                     members for feedback and input /_before_/ going
>>                     to a space, taking pictures, and getting really
>>                     attached to it.
>>
>>                   * Reach out to organizations and do an internet
>>                     search for accessibility options, and laws around
>>                     construction and such.You, yes, /you/ can
>>                     actually step up to do some of this research.Call:
>>
>>                 /Senior Disability Action (https://sdaction.org/(415)
>>                 546-1333 <tel:%28415%29%20546-1333>)/
>>
>>                 /ILRC (https://www.ilrcsf.org/ (415) 543-6222
>>                 <tel:%28415%29%20543-6222>)/
>>
>>                 or similar places to ask for advice.
>>
>>                 I want to be clear that I don't expect to be a part
>>                 of Noisebridge come August.I know finding an
>>                 accessible space is going to be really, really hard.I
>>                 do ask that people really try though.That includes
>>                 educating ourselves around access and including
>>                 disabled people in the search and in the conversation.
>>
>>                 I plan on attending the meeting tonight (which
>>                 hopefully happens) in case anyone wants to discuss
>>                 this stuff with me.I do ask however, that you do not
>>                 vent your frustrations on me.I do not want to be the
>>                 scapegoat for San Francisco's problems with ADA
>>                 access and high rents.As the most active
>>                 wheelchair-using member of Noisebridge I have had to
>>                 work overtime educating people about access, ableism,
>>                 and advocating for myself.It's exhausting.I am just
>>                 trying to be a part of the community and I hope
>>                 everyone can understand and respect that.
>>
>>
>>                 Thanks for reading this and taking the time to care
>>                 about these issues.  I look forward to our
>>                 conversation and growth as a community together.
>>
>>                 -Zach
>>
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